Benjamin Lin Nov 11 1992, 1:47 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: l...@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin) - Find messages by this author Date: 12 Nov 92 01:02:42 GMT Local: Wed, Nov 11 1992 5:02 pm Subject: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse [ It seems that there haven't been many games on reg.games.chess recently, so I thought I would post cowboy's recent crush of scratchy! good job cowboy! ] [ cowboy scratchy ] 1 P/c2-c3 (0:05) P/e7-e5 (0:27) 2 P/d2-d4 (0:02) P/e5-d4 (0:20) 3 P/c3-d4 (0:03) N/g8-f6 (0:14) 4 N/b1-c3 (0:02) B/f8-b4 (0:17) 5 P/a2-a3 (0:10) B/b4-c3 (0:12) 6 P/b2-c3 (0:04) o-o (0:16) 7 N/g1-f3 (0:02) R/f8-e8 (0:16) 8 P/e2-e3 (0:04) P/c7-c5 (0:17) 9 B/f1-e2 (0:14) Q/d8-a5 (0:17) 10 o-o (0:25) N/f6-e4 (0:18) 11 B/c1-d2 (0:15) N/e4-c3 (0:18) 12 B/d2-c3 (0:22) Q/a5-c3 (0:02) 13 B/e2-d3 (0:24) P/c5-c4 (0:16) 14 B/d3-h7 (1:22) K/g8-h7 (0:18) 15 N/f3-g5 (0:02) K/h7-g6 (1:32) 16 Q/d1-g4 (1:01) P/f7-f5 (0:31) 17 Q/g4-g3 (1:38) Q/c3-a5 (1:39) 18 Q/g3-d6 (0:56) K/g6-g5 (0:09) 19 P/f2-f4 (0:15) K/g5-h5 (1:13) 20 R/f1-f3 (1:21) Q/a5-a6 (0:17) [ does 20...Re6 (jgold's move) lose too? ] 21 R/f3-h3 (0:19) K/h5-g4 (0:44) 22 R/h3-g3 (1:22) K/g4-h4 (0:12) 23 Q/d6-d5 (0:54) R/e8-e3 (0:08) 24 R/g3-e3 (0:13) [ I didn't get the rest of the game, but it didn't last too much longer. ] [ scratchy did a computer check :-) ] [-benoni] Federico A Garcia Nov 12 1992, 1:10 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: c...@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 14:12:30 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 12 1992 6:12 am Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Ben, How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on ICS? Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks. Is this going to be fixed any time soon? -Fred Garcia Steven L Harrington Nov 12 1992, 2:53 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: sharr...@cs.tamu.edu (Steven L Harrington) - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:06:33 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 12 1992 8:06 am Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article l...@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin) writes: >[ It seems that there haven't been many games on reg.games.chess > recently, so I thought I would post cowboy's recent crush of > scratchy! good job cowboy! ] Thanks for the compliments, I'll try to keep my over-inflated ego in check. I'll throw in a few comments/annotations. It seems that the sac may not have been sound if DT had given back the material at the crucial time. >[ cowboy scratchy ] >1 P/c2-c3 (0:05) P/e7-e5 (0:27) >2 P/d2-d4 (0:02) P/e5-d4 (0:20) >3 P/c3-d4 (0:03) N/g8-f6 (0:14) >4 N/b1-c3 (0:02) B/f8-b4 (0:17) >5 P/a2-a3 (0:10) B/b4-c3 (0:12) >6 P/b2-c3 (0:04) o-o (0:16) >7 N/g1-f3 (0:02) R/f8-e8 (0:16) >8 P/e2-e3 (0:04) P/c7-c5 (0:17) >9 B/f1-e2 (0:14) Q/d8-a5 (0:17) >10 o-o (0:25) N/f6-e4 (0:18) >11 B/c1-d2 (0:15) N/e4-c3 (0:18) >12 B/d2-c3 (0:22) Q/a5-c3 (0:02) >13 B/e2-d3 (0:24)!? P/c5-c4 ? (0:16) 13. Bd3 telegraphs my intentions to sac on h7 - any good human would smell a rat. While the sac may not be entirely sound, the move 13...c4 is a real lemon. It makes the sac too tempting by wasting a tempo and hitting the Bd3 at the same time. The only thing preventing 13...c4 from meriting a ?? is the dubious nature of the sac. >14 B/d3-h7 (1:22) K/g8-h7 (0:18) >15 N/f3-g5 (0:02) K/h7-g6 (1:32) >16 Q/d1-g4 (1:01) P/f7-f5 (0:31) 16...d5 should be considered maybe >17 Q/g4-g3 (1:38) Q/c3-a5 (1:39) >18 Q/g3-d6 (0:56) K/g6-g5 (0:09) ?? this may be the losing move... 18...Re6 seems to hold from the brief analysis that I've done. White may have some justification for giving 2 pieces for a rook based on black's lagging development, but it's not so clear. >19 P/f2-f4 (0:15) K/g5-h5 (1:13) White is winning >20 R/f1-f3 (1:21) Q/a5-a6 (0:17) >[ does 20...Re6 (jgold's move) lose too? ] I think so... 21. Rh3+ Kg6(kg4) 22. Qf8 w/ threat og rg3 and qg7 with mate soon thereafter. >21 R/f3-h3 (0:19) K/h5-g4 (0:44) >22 R/h3-g3 (1:22) K/g4-h4 (0:12) >23 Q/d6-d5! (0:54) R/e8-e3 (0:08) >24 R/g3-e3 (0:13) 24...Qc6 25. Qf5 Qg2+ 26. Kg2 d5 27. Rh3 mate All in all it wasn't so much good play on my part as it was horizon effect and greed (materialism) on DT's part. A timely return of (some of) the material may have proven the sac unsound. -Steve Harrington -ICS::cowboy - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Benjamin Lin Nov 12 1992, 8:16 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: l...@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin) - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 16:57:21 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 12 1992 8:57 am Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article c...@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) writes: >Ben, >How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on >ICS? Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks. Is this going >to be fixed any time soon? >-Fred Garcia Nope, I couldn't use automail/mail either :-( I just copied the moves from the screen. That is why the game I posted was incomplete... -benoni Elliott C Winslow Nov 12 1992, 1:49 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: e...@world.std.com (Elliott C Winslow) - Find messages by this author Date: 12 Nov 92 23:12:06 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 12 1992 3:12 pm Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article l...@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin) writes: > In article > c...@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) writes: >> How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on >> ICS? Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks. Is this going >> to be fixed any time soon? > Nope, I couldn't use automail/mail either :-( > I just copied the moves from the screen. That is why the game I posted > was incomplete... Just to note one of the nic things about the GIICS program (from 1.51 on), there is a utility provided, xtract, *with* source, that will extract the games from the file giics.log. (which contains all sessions appended, so i hope youze guys are remembering to kill it off every now and then! :-) It chokes ever so easily, and dumps the games out in the dreaded computer algebraic notation, but hey! It works. It was "the tool for the job" appearing miraculously in the midst of my grousing about the end of automail. Hats off to Tony, the guys @valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu, and of course Michael Moore, who got us started on this weird trip... [and nash@nisus and anyone else I'm forgetting...] --elliott Elliott Winslow IM e...@world.std.com Assistant Editor Chess Life USCF Roger Uzun Nov 12 1992, 3:49 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: u...@crash.cts.com (Roger Uzun) - Find messages by this author Date: 13 Nov 92 00:11:08 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 12 1992 4:11 pm Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse After a noted GM visited ICS to play RFischer (DT I), and had limited success, I am forced (out of ignorance, and awe at the beating given to DT II), to ask what sort of rating cowboy has, and if he is a noted GM. -Roger -------------------------------------------------------------- bix: ruzun NET: u...@crash.cts.com John Anthony Chanak Nov 13 1992, 12:00 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: John Anthony Chanak - Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 07:20:54 -0500 Local: Fri, Nov 13 1992 4:20 am Subject: ICS automail, was: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.chess: 12-Nov-92 Re: cowboy crushes scratchy.. Elliott C Winslow@world. (1285) - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > In article > l...@ucs.orst.edu (Benjamin Lin) writes: > > In article > > c...@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) writes: > >> How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on > >> ICS? Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks. Is this going > >> to be fixed any time soon? > > Nope, I couldn't use automail/mail either :-( > > I just copied the moves from the screen. That is why the game I posted > > was incomplete... > Just to note one of the nic things about the GIICS program (from 1.51 on), > there is a utility provided, xtract, *with* source, that will extract the > games from the file giics.log. (which contains all sessions appended, so i > hope youze guys are remembering to kill it off every now and then! :-) > It chokes ever so easily, and dumps the games out in the dreaded computer > algebraic notation, but hey! It works. It was "the tool for the job" > appearing miraculously in the midst of my grousing about the end of > automail. The version of xboard available for FTP from valkyries allows games to be saved... (And replayed, of course) It will only save games you play, though. (Working on the others...) You can parse backwards/forwards through the moves you have played while playing, etc. Just to clear things up on automail for once and for all.... The standard mail system here at CMU operates through a suite of "post office" (po) machines for handling external mail. All mail sent externally goes through them. This is generally acceptable- however, when Valkyries started to appear way, way, way, way on the top of the logs (with ~7000 messages/week) we were "asked" not to bother the po machines with something that is, after all, just a game. (they said: "Quit sending mail, or we'll pull the plug") This does not in itself keep valkyries from sending mail- it can do so on its own like any "real" workstation. However, Valkyries is configured to run as a "standard andrew workstation". The key words here are "standard andrew." "Standard" means that each time it reboots, it auto-reconfigures into a standard state- a state where all external mail goes through the po machines. The other nasty word is "andrew," short for "Andrew File System." (AFS). AFS is a large-scal distributed file system. AFS does not do mail the normal way- it relies on gateways (the po machines) to interface with the "standard" mailing systems. What this all boils down to is that valkyries must not only learn how to send mail on its own, but it must be able to maintain this information through a reboot. This is not a *real* difficult task, but it takes time to implement and test. I haven't had that much free time on my hands recently, so progress has been slow. (Actually, we're quite close- we can send mail to external sites, but we can't send mail to cmu... and that's unacceptable, since valkyries's non-chess mail all goes to cmu.) > Hats off to Tony, the guys @valkyries.andrew.cmu.edu, and of course Michael > Moore, who got us started on this weird trip... Gee, thanks... > [and nash@nisus and anyone else I'm forgetting...] > --elliott > Elliott Winslow IM > e...@world.std.com > Assistant Editor > Chess Life USCF Thanks for playing... -John Scott W. Adkins Nov 13 1992, 12:50 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: sadk...@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (Scott W. Adkins) - Find messages by this author Date: 13 Nov 92 13:18:17 GMT Local: Fri, Nov 13 1992 5:18 am Subject: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article c...@athena.mit.edu (Federico A Garcia) writes : >How did you manage to get an automail/mail listing of that game on >ICS? Neither of the two commands has worked in weeks. Is this going >to be fixed any time soon? Take a look at the new xboard that works for ICS (available at the valkyries ftp site). Since it *is* and xboard program, it will allow you to save your games, look at previous moves during the game, etc. I have found it very useful and have saved several of my games that way, without needing the automail facility that used to work on ICS. Scott -- Don't forget to have a good day! Some people never remember this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott W. Adkins Internet: sadk...@ohiou.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ a...@cleveland.freenet.edu (Flame me, not the net!) Bitnet: adk...@ouaccvma.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ohio University of Athens Home of the Great Hocking River Mark A Zabel Nov 13 1992, 8:42 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: mza...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Mark A Zabel) - Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1992 16:14:34 GMT Local: Fri, Nov 13 1992 8:14 am Subject: Re: ICS automail, was: Re: cowboy crushes scratchy on ics Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article John Anthony Chanak writes: >This is not a *real* difficult task, but it takes time to >implement and test. I haven't had that much free time on my hands >recently, so progress has been slow. (Actually, we're quite close- we >can send mail to external sites, but we can't send mail to cmu... and >that's unacceptable, since valkyries's non-chess mail all goes to cmu.) Well, it didn't seem too hard to do it for the GIICS users! For those of us using VT100s, well, life is tough enough already. If this sounds like sour grapes...it is! -Mark (Squidfeet) P.S. Take your time. Automail *would* be nice, but...I really can't complain about the service at valkyries.