Feng-Hsiung Hsu Nov 18 1992, 9:24 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: f...@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) - Find messages by this author Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1992 18:46:44 GMT Local: Wed, Nov 18 1992 10:46 am Subject: All DT-Bronstein ICS Games, background, general comments Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse A few months ago, we were told by Bill Worley from HP Labs in California that Grand Master David Bronstein would be at their Labs and David would be interested in playing casual games with DT. We suggested that a handle be created for David and the games be played over ICS. We were expecting to play the games in peace and quiet without much fanfare, but word got out and the games became daily spectacles on ICS for a while. DT II was being modified for further software work when the games were started, and not available for the first 7 games, which were played by DT I. There were quite a few problems with the ICS setup in the early games. David played the games on his own board and an operator (Mr. Bob English) operated the ICS interface for him. Bob was using the ASCII interface for the first 3 games, and a few operator errors were made. XICS interface was used afterwards. The lack of a running clock display in the current XICS interface might have contributed to David's time trouble (any programmer listening?). The final tallies are favorable for both DT I (5 wins, 1 losses, and 1 aborted [operator typo, objectively David should have won]) and DT II (8 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss, and 1 aborted speed game [typo again]). However, the tallies do not tell the whole story. The first two wins by DT I were probably more due to operator overhead (fast games, ASCII interface and first time operator). David was recording his thoughts on a tape recorder during the games, which at least should be regarded as an X factor. Furthermore, David was apparently more interested in creating "fun" positions than worrying about winning the games. The games themselves were all quite exciting. I should have been spending time working on the new machine, but ended up finding myself glued to the tube watching the ups and downs of the games. Personally, I am amazed at David's wild but logical imagination. The old warrior showed that he still had the magical touches. In all of DT I's games and quite a few of DT II's games, David had winning positions at some point. --Hsu Below are the games. Sorry that DT I's games are in a strange format. DT II's games are in standard algebraic. ---------------------- Bronstein,D-Deep Thought I 11/4/92 (15 minutes + 3 seconds per move) pe2e4 Pc7c5 pb2b4 Pc5b4p pd2d4 Pd7d5 pe4d5P Qd8d5p ng1f3 Nb8c6 pc2c4 Pb4c3p(EP) nb1c3P Qd5a5 bc1d2 Pe7e6 bf1c4 Bf8b4 qd1c2 Ng8f6 o-o O-O pa2a3 Bb4c3n bd2c3B Qa5c7 ra1c1 Qc7d6 pa3a4 Rf8d8 rf1d1 Nc6b4 qc2b2 Nb4d5 bc3d2 Bc8d7 pa4a5 Bd7a4 rd1e1 Rd8d7 rc1a1 Ba4c6 nf3e5 Rd7c7 ne5c6B Qd6c6n re1c1 Ra8c8 pa5a6 Pb7b6 bc4e2 Qc6d6 be2f3 Rc7c4 qb2b5 Qd6c7 pg2g3 Qc7c6 qb5b3 Kg8h8 bf3e2 Rc4c1r ra1c1R Qc6d7 rc1c8R Qd7c8r be2d3 Ph7h6 qb3b5 Nf6e8 kg1f1 Ne8d6 qb5a4 Kh8g8 ph2h4 Qc8c7 bd2f4 Nd5f4b pg3f4N Qc7c3 kf1e2 Pb6b5 qa4c2 Qc3d4p qc2c7 0-1 (time) Bronstein,D-Deep Thought I 11/5/92 (15+15) pe2e4 Pc7c5 pb2b4 Pc5b4p pd2d4 Pd7d5 pe4d5P Qd8d5p ng1f3 Nb8c6 pc2c4 Pb4c3p(EP) nb1c3P Qd5a5 bc1d2 Pe7e6 ra1b1 Ng8f6 bf1b5 Qa5c7 o-o Bf8e7 qd1e2 Bc8d7 rf1c1 O-O bb5d3 Rf8d8 nc3e4 Nf6d5 pg2g3 Bd7e8 ne4c5 Pb7b6 nc5e4 Be7a3 rc1c4 0-1 (time) Deep Thought I-Bronstein,D 11/5/92 (20+20) pd2d4 Ng8f6 pc2c4 Pg7g6 nb1c3 Bf8g7 pe2e4 Pd7d6 pf2f3 Pe7e5 pd4d5 Nf6h5 bc1e3 Nb8a6 qd1d2 Qd8h4 pg2g3 Qh4e7 nc3b5 Pf7f5 nb5a7P Ra8a7n be3a7R Pb7b6 pe4f5P Pe5e4 o-o-o Pe4e3 qd2d3 Na6c5 qd3a3 O-O pf5g6P Bc8d7 rd1e1 Rf8e8 pg6h7P Kg8h8 bf1h3 Nh5f6 bh3d7B Nf6d7b re1e2 Qe7f6 re2c2 Nd7e5 kc1b1 Ne5d3 ng1e2 Qf6f3p rh1d1 Nd3b2p rc2b2N Nc5e4 kb1c1 Ne4d2 ne2g1 Qf3g4 rb2b4 Qg4e4 ph2h4 Qe4g2 qa3a4 Re8f8 ph4h5 Nd2e4 ba7b6P Pc7b6b rb4b5 Ne4c3 rb5b2 Pe3e2 rb2e2P Nc3e2r ng1e2N Qg2e2n qa4c2 Qe2e3 qc2d2 Qe3g3p qd2d3 Qg3e3 qd3e3Q (abort, Qg3e3 was a typo) Deep Thought I-Bronstein,D 11/6/92 (20+20) pd2d4 Ng8f6 pc2c4 Pg7g6 nb1c3 Bf8g7 pe2e4 Pd7d6 pf2f3 Pe7e5 pd4d5 Nf6h5 bc1e3 Nb8a6 qd1d2 Qd8h4 pg2g3 Qh4e7 ng1e2 Pf7f5 bf1g2 O-O o-o Bc8d7 nc3b5 Nh5f6 nb5a7P Pc7c6 ne2c3 Pf5f4 pg3f4P Pe5f4p be3b6 Bd7e8 bb6f2 Na6c5 pb2b4 Ra8a7n pb4c5N Pd6c5p ra1c1 Nf6d7 rc1c2 Bg7e5 rf1d1 Be8f7 nc3e2 Pg6g5 bg2h3 Ra7a3 bh3d7N Qe7d7b bf2c5P Ra3f3p pd5c6P Qd7g4 kg1h1 Pb7c6p rd1g1 Qg4h5 ne2d4 Rf3h3 bc5f8R Kg8f8b nd4c6P Be5c7 1-0 (time) Bronstein,D-Deep Thought I 11/6/92 (20+20) pd2d4 Pd7d5 pc2c4 Pd5c4p ng1f3 Pa7a6 pe2e4 Pb7b5 pa2a4 Bc8b7 pb2b3 Bb7e4p pb3c4P Pb5b4 nb1d2 Be4b7 pa4a5 Pe7e6 bc1b2 Ng8f6 nd2b3 Nb8d7 bf1d3 Pc7c5 o-o Pc5d4p bb2d4P Qd8c7 pc4c5 Bb7d5 ra1c1 Qc7b7 rf1e1 Bf8e7 nf3d2 Qb7c6 pf2f3 O-O bd4f2 Rf8c8 nd2c4 Qc6b7 nc4d6 Be7d6n pc5d6B Rc8c1r nb3c1R Qb7c6 bd3b1 Qc6d6p qd1d4 Pe6e5 qd4e3 Ra8e8 re1d1 Re8c8 nc1d3 Bd5b3 rd1c1 Rc8c3 qe3d2 Nf6d5 bf2e1 Nd7c5 pg2g3 Nc5d3n rc1c3R Pb4c3r qd2d3N Pc3c2 bb1c2P Qd6c5 be1f2 Qc5c2b qd3a6P Ph7h6 qa6b7 Pe5e4 pf3e4P Qc2b1 kg1g2 Qb1e4p kg2g1 Qe4b1 kg1g2 Nd5f6 pa5a6 Bb3d5 0-1 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought I 11/9/92 (20+20) pd2d4 Pd7d5 pc2c4 Pd5c4p ng1f3 Pa7a6 pe2e4 Pb7b5 pb2b3 Pc4b3p qd1b3P Pe7e6 pa2a4 Pb5b4 bf1c4 Nb8c6 qb3e3 Ng8f6 bc1b2 Nc6a5 bc4e2 Bf8e7 nb1d2 O-O o-o Bc8b7 rf1d1 Qd8b8 nf3e5 Rf8d8 ra1c1 Qb8a7 rc1c7P Be7d6 rc7f7P Bd6e5n rf7g7P Kg8g7r qe3g5 Kg7f7 pd4e5B Nf6g8 rd1e1 Kf7f8 nd2f3 Bb7c6 bb2c1 Na5b3 bc1e3 Qa7f7 be2c4 Bc6a4p qg5g4 Ph7h5 qg4h3 Qf7g6 nf3g5 Nb3d4 pf2f4 Rd8c8 pf4f5 Pe6f5p pe4f5P Qg6e8 bc4d5 Qe8e5p ng5e6 Nd4e6n be3h6 Ng8h6b re1e5Q Rc8c1 kg1f2 Nh6g4 kf2g3 Rc1c3 bd5f3 Ng4e5r pf5e6N Ne5f3b qh3f5 Kf8e7 qf5f7 Ke7d6 pg2f3N Ba4c6 qf7f4 Kd6e6p qf4b4P Rc3f3p kg3h4 Bc6d5 ph2h3 Ra8c8 qb4b6 Ke6e5 qb6a6P Rf3f4 kh4h5P Bd5f7 kh5g5 Rc8g8 kg5h6 Rf4h4 0-1 Deep Thought I-Bronstein,D 11/9/92 (20+20) pd2d4 Ng8f6 pc2c4 Pg7g6 pg2g3 Bf8g7 nb1c3 O-O ng1f3 Pd7d6 bf1g2 Nb8d7 o-o Pe7e5 pe2e4 Pc7c6 ph2h3 Nf6h5 bc1e3 Qd8e7 pd4d5 Pc6c5 qd1d3 Pf7f5 pe4f5P Pg6f5p qd3e2 Pf5f4 pg3f4P Pe5f4p be3c1 Qe7e2q nc3e2Q Nd7e5 nf3e5N Bg7e5n bg2f3 Bc8h3p bf3h5N Rf8f5 rf1e1 Kg8h8 bh5f3 Ra8g8 kg1h1 Bh3g4 bf3g4B Rg8g4b ne2f4P Be5f4n re1e8 Kh8g7 bc1f4B Rf5f4b ra1g1 Rf4c4p re8e7 Kg7f6 rg1g4R Rc4g4r re7e6 Kf6f5 re6d6P Pb7b5 rd6c6 Pc5c4 rc6c7 Rg4d4 rc7a7P Rd4d2 pa2a4 Pb5b4 ra7c7 Rd2c2 rc7h7P Rc2b2p pa4a5 Pc4c3 rh7c7 Rb2a2 pd5d6 Kf5e6 pd6d7 Ke6e7 0-1 The next two games were with time control (20+30) due to network delays. Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/12/92 (20+30) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f4 O-O 6. Nf3 c5 7. d5 e6 8. Be2 ed5 9. cd5 Re8 10. e5 de5 11. fe5 Ng4 12. Bg5 Qb6 13. o-o Ne5 14. Ne5 Re5 15. Qd2 Bf5 16. Bc4 Nd7 17. Rac1 Rae8 18. Bf4 a6 19. Be5 Ne5 20. Rfe1 Qd8 21. Bf1 Qh4 22. Ra1 Rd8 23. h3 Ng4 24. hg4 Bd4 25. Re3 Bg4 26. Qf2 Qf2 27. Kf2 Re8 28. Kg3 Re3 29. Kg4 f5 30. Kf4 Kf7 31. d6 Ke6 32. Rd1 h6 33. Bc4 Kd6 34. Bf7 g5 35. Kf5 b5 36. Ne4 Ke7 37. Bd5 Re2 38. b4 Rg2 39. bc5 Be3 40. Re1 Bd4 41. Ng5 Kd7 42. c6 Kd6 43. Bg2 hg5 44. Rd1 1-0 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought II 11/12/92 (20+30) 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cb4 3. a3 d5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. ab4 Qe4 7. Be2 Bf3 8. gf3 Qb4 9. Na3 Qa5 10. Bb2 Nc6 11. c4 Qg5 12. Qb3 O-O-O 13. d4 Qg2 14. o-o-o Qf2 15. d5 Na5 16. Qb5 Qe3 17. Kb1 Qe2 18. Qa5 a6 19. Rhe1 Qf2 20. c5 Nf6 21. Be5 Nd5 22. Nc4 Qe1 23. Re1 f6 24. Nb6 Nb6 25. Qb6 Kd7 1-0 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought II 11/13/92 (20+20) 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 g6 3. h4 Bg7 4. Nc3 d5 5. e3 c6 6. Nf3 Nf6 7. Ne5 Nbd7 8. Nd3 Ne4 9. Bf4 Nc3 10. bc3 Qa5 11. Qd2 b6 12. f3 Ba6 13. h5 O-O-O 14. a4 Rde8 15. h6 Bf6 16. Ne5 Bb7 17. c4 Qd2 18. Kd2 g5 19. Bg3 Be5 20. de5 dc4 21. e6 Nc5 22. Bc4 Rhg8 23. Be5 Rd8 24. Kc3 Ba6 25. Ba2 Na4 26. Kb4 Bb5 27. Rad1 Nc5 28. Bd4 Na6 29. Ka3 c5 30. Bg7 Bc6 31. Bc4 Nb4 32. Bb3 Nd5 33. Rd3 b5 34. c4 b4 35. Kb2 Nb6 36. Rd8 Rd8 37. Ra1 Rd2 38. Kc1 Rg2 39. Ra7 Re2 40. Be5 Na8 41. Re7 Re3 42. Rh7 Re5 43. Rg7 Re1 44. Kd2 Re6 45. h7 Rh6 46. Rg8 Kb7 47. h8Q Rh8 48. Rh8 Bf3 49. Rf8 Be4 50. Rf7 Kc6 51. Bc2 Nb6 52. Rf6 Kc7 53. Be4 Nc4 54. Kd3 Ne5 55. Kc2 fe4 56. Rf5 Kd6 57. Rg5 c4 58. Rg8 Nc6 59. Rg5 Nd4 60. Kb1 e3 61. Rg3 e2 62. Re3 Kd5 63. Ka2 c3 0-1 Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/13/92 (20+20) 1. e4 d5 2. ed5 Nf6 3. d4 Nd5 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nd7 6. o-o e6 7. c4 N5f6 8. h3 Bh5 9. Nc3 Be7 10. Bf4 O-O 11. d5 ed5 12. Nd5 Nd5 13. Qd5 Nf6 14. Qb7 Rb8 15. Qa7 Rb2 16. Rfe1 Qa8 17. Qd4 Ra2 18. Bc7 Rc8 19. Be5 Rd8 20. Ra2 Qa2 21. Qe3 Bf3 22. Bf3 Qa3 23. Qa3 Ba3 24. Bf6 gf6 25. Ra1 Bc5 26. Ra5 Rc8 27. Bd5 Rc7 28. g4 Kg7 29. Kg2 f5 30. gf5 Kf6 31. Kg3 h5 32. f4 Bd4 33. Ra6 Kf5 34. Rh6 Bf6 35. h4 Ra7 36. Rh5 Kg6 37. Kg4 Ra1 38. Be4 Kg7 39. c5 Rg1 40. Kh3 Rc1 41. c6 Rc4 42. Bd5 Rc5 43. Rf5 Rc3 44. Kg4 Kg6 45. h5 Kg7 46. h6 Kg6 47. Be4 1-0 Most of the remaining games were played at (15+15) at David's request. Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/16/92 (15+15) 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. ed5 c6 4. Nc3 ef4 5. Nf3 Bd6 6. d4 Ne7 7. dc6 bc6 8. Bc4 O-O 9. Ne4 Bc7 10. o-o Nf5 11. Qd3 Nd7 12. Nfg5 Nf6 13. Nf7 Rf7 14. Ng5 Nd5 15. Nf7 Kf7 16. Bf4 Kg8 17. Bc7 Qc7 18. Rf5 Bf5 19. Qf5 Rd8 20. Rf1 Qe7 21. c3 g6 22. Qf6 1-0 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought II 11/16/92 (15+15) 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cb4 3. a3 d5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Nf3 e5 6. ab4 Bb4 7. Ra3 Ba3 8. Ba3 Qa5 9. Bc4 Nc6 10. o-o f6 11. d4 Bg4 12. h3 Bh5 13. de5 fe5 14. Qd6 Nge7 15. Qe6 Rf8 16. Be7 Ne7 17. Ne5 Rd8 18. Nc3 a6 19. Ne4 Qc7 20. Re1 Rd4 21. Bb3 Rf4 22. Nc4 Bg6 23. Ncd6 Kf8 24. g3 Rf3 25. c3 Rd6 26. Nd6 Rf6 27. Qc4 Qd6 28. Rd1 Qb6 29. Rd2 Bf7 30. Qb4 Bb3 31. Rd8 Qd8 0-1 Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/16/92 (15+15) 1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef4 3. Nf3 g5 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 Be7 6. Qg4 d6 7. Qg7 de5 8. Qh8 Bh4 9. Kd1 Bg4 10. Be2 Be2 11. Ke2 Qg5 12. Kf1 f3 13. gf3 Qg3 14. Rh4 Qf3 15. Ke1 Qg3 16. Ke2 Nc6 17. c3 Qh4 18. Qg8 Kd7 19. Qa8 Qg4 20. Kd3 f5 21. Kc2 1-0 (time) Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/17/92 (15+15) 1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef4 3. Nf3 g5 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 Be7 6. Bc4 Nh6 7. o-o d6 8. Nd3 b5 9. Bb5 c6 10. Bc4 f3 11. gf3 d5 12. ed5 cd5 13. Bb3 Bh4 14. Qe2 Kf8 15. Qe3 Nf5 16. Qc5 Be7 17. Qd5 Qb6 18. Nf2 Be6 19. Qa8 Rg8 20. Be6 gf3 21. Kh1 Ng3 22. Kg1 Ne4 23. Kh1 Nf2 24. Rf2 Qf2 25. Qb8 Kg7 26. Qh2 Qh2 27. Kh2 Bd6 28. Kh3 fe6 29. d3 Kf7 30. Be3 Rg3 31. Kh4 Rg2 32. Nd2 1-0 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought II 11/16/92,11/17/92 (15+15) 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cb4 3. a3 d5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Nf3 e5 6. ab4 Bb4 7. Ra3 Ba3 8. Ba3 Bd7 9. Nc3 Qa5 10. Qc1 Bc6 11. Ng5 Nh6 12. Bd3 Bg2 13. Rg1 Bc6 14. Nge4 g6 15. Qb2 Kd8 16. Bb4 Qc7 17. Bd6 Qb6 18. Qa3 Be4 19. Be7 Kc8 20. Be4 f5 (suspended) 21. Bd5 Ng4 22. Ne4 Na6 23. Rg3 fe4 24. Rg4 Nc7 25. Ba2 Qd4 26. Bc5 Qa1 27. Ke2 Qh1 28. Rg3 Qh2 29. Bd6 Qh5 30. Kf1 e3 31. Qe3 Qh1 32. Ke2 Qc6 33. Qa3 Nb5 34. Be6 Kd8 35. Be7 Ke8 0-1 Bronstein,D-Deep Thought II 11/17/92 (15+15) 1. e4 c5 2. b4 cb4 3. a3 d5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Nf3 e5 6. ab4 Bb4 7. Ra3 Ba3 8. Na3 Bg4 9. Nb5 Na6 10. Ba3 O-O-O 11. c4 Qe4 12. Be2 Bf3 13. gf3 Qg6 14. Na7 Kb8 15. Nb5 Nh6 16. c5 Nc7 17. Nd6 Qg2 18. Rf1 Ne8 19. Nb7 Rd7 20. c6 Rb7 21. cb7 Qg6 22. Qb3 Qc6 23. Bc4 Qb7 24. Qd3 e4 25. fe4 f5 26. f3 Nc7 27. Ke2 Qc6 28. Rb1 Kc8 29. e5 Rd8 30. Bd6 g6 31. Qd4 f4 32. Rc1 Nf5 33. Be6 Kb7 34. Qb2 Qb5 35. Qb5 Nb5 36. Bf5 Nd4 37. Kf2 Nf5 38. Bb4 Rd5 39. Re1 Kc7 40. e6 Kd8 41. h4 Nd6 42. e7 Ke8 43. Re6 Nf5 44. h5 gh5 45. Kg2 Rd4 46. Bc3 Rd3 47. Re5 Nh4 48. Kf2 Rf3 49. Ke2 Rh3 50. Bd4 Nf3 51. Re4 Nd4 52. Rd4 f3 53. Kf2 Ke7 54. Rf4 Rh2 55. Kf3 Rd2 56. Kg3 Rd5 57. Ra4 Kf6 58. Ra8 Kg5 59. Rg8 Kh6 60. Kg2 Rg5 =-= The parting speed game. 13 ... Bf2 was a shot from the blue. Deep Thought II-Bronstein,D 11/17/92 (5+5) 1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef4 3. Nf3 g5 4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 Be7 6. Bc4 Nh6 7. o-o d6 8. Nd3 b5 9. Bb5 c6 10. Ba4 f3 11. gf3 Bh4 12. Nc3 Rg8 13. Kh2 Bf2 14. Nf2 Qh4 15. Kg2 g3 16. Ng4 Ng4 17. Rh1 Nh2 18. Nb5 cb5 19. Bb5 Kd8 20. d4 Bh3 21. Kg1 Qf6 22. Be2 Nc6 23. c3 Ne7 24. e5 Qf4 25. Bf4 (abort) Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai Nov 19 1992, 4:49 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: "Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai" - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 11:27:47 -0500 Local: Thurs, Nov 19 1992 8:27 am Subject: Re: All DT-Bronstein ICS Games, background, general comments Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Excerpts from netnews.rec.games.chess: 18-Nov-92 All DT-Bronstein ICS Games,.. Feng-Hsiung H...@watson.i (11490) > English) operated the ICS interface for him. Bob was using the ASCII > interface for the first 3 games, and a few operator errors were made. > XICS interface was used afterwards. The lack of a running clock display > in the current XICS interface might have contributed to David's time > trouble (any programmer listening?). The xboard interface has a running clock. I also put out an xicsboard :-) interface which is essentially the same as xboard except that non-ICS related material has been removed and a few buttons added for frequently used ICS commands. This has a running clock too and is the one I currently use. ___ Sohan C. Ramakrishna-Pillai Office: UCC 181 Phone: x6406 [(412)268-6406] "In the beginning, man created beer, and it was good. God was created shortly thereafter." Gospel According to Brew, 1:1 Bob English Nov 19 1992, 6:19 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: rengl...@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 19:07:07 GMT Local: Thurs, Nov 19 1992 11:07 am Subject: Re: All DT-Bronstein ICS Games, background, general comments Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse f...@watson.ibm.com (Feng-Hsiung Hsu) writes: : The games themselves were all quite exciting. I should have been : spending time working on the new machine, but ended up finding myself : glued to the tube watching the ups and downs of the games. Personally, : I am amazed at David's wild but logical imagination. The old warrior : showed that he still had the magical touches. In all of DT I's games : and quite a few of DT II's games, David had winning positions at some : point . I think the games showed the strengths of the combatants quite well. The DT's (I & II) play very well when the position can be calculated exactly, or when good move's are already known (as in the opening). David played best when the positions were unclear and sharp, when his judgement was most valuable. In closed positions, where the number of possible moves is limited, the DTs were able to look far deeper into the position than David, and they won such games fairly easily. Feng-Hsiung mentioned that David acheived winning positions in many of the games, but was unable to find the actual win, either the precise sequence of moves that would lead to mate or the precise sequence of moves that would win decisive material. Once the position became decisive, the number of possible moves decreased and DT played with great precision. --bob-- Paul Reber Nov 20 1992, 2:06 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: Paul Reber - Find messages by this author Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1992 10:08:41 -0500 Local: Fri, Nov 20 1992 7:08 am Subject: Re: All DT-Bronstein ICS Games, background, general comments Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse rengl...@cello.hpl.hp.com (Bob English) writes: > Feng-Hsiung mentioned that David acheived winning positions in many of > the games, but was unable to find the actual win, either the precise > sequence of moves that would lead to mate or the precise sequence of > moves that would win decisive material. Once the position became > decisive, the number of possible moves decreased and DT played with > great precision. > --bob-- I would thoroughly enjoy seeing one or more of these positions, what was played and DT's analysis (if possible). Sounds like these might be truly excellent lessons in attack and defense. Paul Reber l...@cmu.edu