Richard Seltzer Jun 28 1993, 10:51 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: selt...@ics.dec.com (Richard Seltzer) - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1993 18:14:23 GMT Local: Mon, Jun 28 1993 11:14 am Subject: FISCHER & ICS Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I just recently started playing on the Internet Chess Server and was wondering if its unique features are in any way connected with the innovations that Bobby Fischer has been proposing. In other words, did the Fischer clock appear before or after ICS starting using the system adding an increment of time for each move? And did ICS offer the option of "wild" play long before Fischer started advocating that variationfor regular match play? Does anyone know if Fischer has ever had an opportunity to experiment with the ICS capabilities? It would seem that ICS could give him an opportunity to play matches against grandmasters from around the world, without having to deal with the legal hassles of passports etc. Do you know if anyone has proposed Internet matches to him? And if one wanted to propose such a match, how can one reach Fischer these days? Richard Seltzer selt...@ics.enet.dec.com -- or -- ...!decwrl!ics.dec.com!seltzer -- or -- seltzer%ics.enet.dec.com Jacques Schuurman Jun 30 1993, 7:39 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: s...@cca.vu.nl (Jacques Schuurman) - Find messages by this author Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:00:50 GMT Local: Wed, Jun 30 1993 7:00 am Subject: Re: FISCHER & ICS Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse selt...@ics.dec.com (Richard Seltzer) writes: | | [..] And if one wanted to propose such a match, how can one reach Fischer | these days ? Too bad. Latest I heard (anyone confirm) that he still resides in Belgrade, actually not able to move anywhere outside core-YU. To the best of my knowledge, Internet connections to Belgrade are poor these days. sjaak -- Jacques Schuurman VU Amsterdam | The world is my homeland, science my religion. Telefoon +31 20 548 26 63 | De wereld is mijn vaderland, wetenschap mijn Email s...@cca.vu.nl | religie. --- Christiaan Huygens Elliott Winslow Jun 30 1993, 2:19 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: e...@panix.com (Elliott Winslow) - Find messages by this author Date: 30 Jun 1993 17:08:00 -0400 Subject: Re: FISCHER & ICS Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse > Latest I heard (anyone confirm) that he still resides in Belgrade, > actually not able to move anywhere outside core-YU. There was a post a month ago saying he was residing in Kanjiza, near the Hangarian border. And maybe he has found a way to get across... --elliott Daniel Sleator Jun 30 1993, 6:26 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: sleat...@cs.cmu.edu (Daniel Sleator) - Find messages by this author Date: 30 Jun 93 23:24:29 GMT Local: Wed, Jun 30 1993 4:24 pm Subject: Re: FISCHER & ICS --Time and Wild games Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I invented the incremental clock system that I implemented on the ICS. (I'm sure it's been invented many times.) At that time I never heard of Fischer's ideas. I have received conflicting descriptions of Fischer's clock proposal. Some people claim it is identical to the my system on the ICS. (Your clock is incremented after each move.) Others have told me that it is something more complicated, in which which your "real" clock doesn't start ticking for a specified amount of time from when your opponent moved. I would like to see an authoritative statement of of Fischer's idea -- including a reference. The wild 1 game on ICS started from a discussion I read here. In this system, the rooks are arranged normally, and the white king is on d1 or e1, the black king is on d8 or e8, the bishops are of opposite color. Other than this, the arrangement is random. Thus, there are 36 arrangements for the white pieces, and 36 for black. (2[king] * 6[bishops] * 3[queen]). It's very much like normal chess (castling is allowed) but opening books are obliterated, because you need 648 of them. Somebody here atributed a similar idea to Fischer. Again, a reference would be appreciated. I invented the rest of the wild games, of which 3 and 5 are the most popular. In wild 3, the bank rank is simply randomly generated (sorry, only one king to a side). White and black are mirrored. You never know the composition of your army. Wild 5 is a surprise. I won't describe it here. You'll have to log onto ICS to see what it is! About 10% of the games on ICS are wild, 10% are standard (>15 minutes per side) and the rest are blitz. Daniel Sleator (Darooha) Steven Rix Jul 1 1993, 5:48 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: ste...@chemeng.ed.ac.uk (Steven Rix) - Find messages by this author Date: 1 Jul 93 12:18:28 GMT Local: Thurs, Jul 1 1993 5:18 am Subject: Re: FISCHER & ICS Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article <20svbg$...@Panix.Com>, e...@panix.com (Elliott Winslow) writes: ->> Latest I heard (anyone confirm) that he still resides in Belgrade, ->> actually not able to move anywhere outside core-YU . -> ->There was a post a month ago saying he was residing in Kanjiza, near the ->Hungarian border. And maybe he has found a way to get across... Malcolm Pein in CHESS (June 1993) says that Vasilievic arrived in Israel with Fischer's passport in his pocket! No idea whether or not it has been returned to its owner ... -- Steve Rix, Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Edinburgh. E-mail: ste...@chemeng.ed.ac.uk, phone: +44 (31) 650 8565. Richard V. Nash Jul 1 1993, 7:05 am show options Newsgroups: rec.games.chess From: n...@visus.com (Richard V. Nash) - Find messages by this author Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 12:40:07 GMT Local: Thurs, Jul 1 1993 5:40 am Subject: Re: FISCHER & ICS --Time and Wild games Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse In article sleat...@cs.cmu.edu (Daniel Sleator) writes: .. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - > The wild 1 game on ICS started from a discussion I read here. In this > system, the rooks are arranged normally, and the white king is on d1 > or e1, the black king is on d8 or e8, the bishops are of opposite > color. Other than this, the arrangement is random. Thus, there are > 36 arrangements for the white pieces, and 36 for black. (2[king] * > 6[bishops] * 3[queen]). It's very much like normal chess (castling is > allowed) but opening books are obliterated, because you need 648 of > them. Somebody here atributed a similar idea to Fischer. Again, a > reference would be appreciated. > I invented the rest of the wild games, of which 3 and 5 are the most > popular. In wild 3, the bank rank is simply randomly generated > (sorry, only one king to a side). White and black are mirrored. You > never know the composition of your army. Wild 5 is a surprise. I > won't describe it here. You'll have to log onto ICS to see what it > is! .. I've heard of a game where the games starts with all the pawns set up in a their normal position but none off the pieces. The first move is when white places one of his pieces on the back rank. Then black does the same. No piece may be moved until all of the pieces are placed. My guess is that this wouldn't be as popular as any of the wild games. -- +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard V. Nash | Visual Understanding Systems, Inc. | | n...@visus.com | Tel. (412)-488-3600 Fax. (412)-488-3611 | +---------------------------------------------------------------+