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                                                        Haplogroup G2a Project
                              DNA Results and Groupings

                                      The G2a3b1 Clade within the DYS568= 9 Group
                                  Most Common in Northern England


All the men here with 67 markers have a value of 9 for marker DYS568 characteristic of this overall group.
All the groups genetically adjacent to the 568=9 group have a value of 11 for this marker.  The DYS568=9
group also has other characteristic marker values combinations that are needed for full verification of belonging
to this group.  This group also has values of 20,21 at YCA marker, a finding which is almost as reliable as the
DYS568 marker for identifying the DYS568 group.

Special DNA software (Fluxus) which gives special weighting to markers which seldom mutate indicates
the northern England clade is closest to a mostly Jewish Askhenazi clade and to an English-Italian clade.  
The Jewish clade has characteristic marker values that identify it, but members of the English-Italian clade
and the northern England clade here can only be recognized by the close genetic distances of members.  The
mostly Jewish clade may or may not have resulted from a conversion of their ancestor to Judaism, but the
clade does not seem to have the Middle Eastern origins suspected in many other Jewish clades.

For information on what is known of the origins of thew DYS568=9 group and migrations and time
relationships to other G groupings link to the migration-time page .

There are not enough identified members of this clade to clearly define the geographical distribution of the
clade.  However, one family is definitely traced to Lancashire, northern England, and the Rushtons also
seem to come from a family in Lancashire.  Powers lists an Irish ancestry, but the Powers results are
oddities among the other tested Irish Powers families.  It is possible this clade will be renamed if better
knowledge of the geographical distribution surfaces.  Since one of the nearest clades to this northern
England clade shares a common ancestor about 2500 yrs. ago with a group currently living in the
Caucasus Mountains where Russia and Georgia meet, it is possible the clade here shares a similar
origin.

The G2a3b1 status means the men will be positive in special SNP testing for general G (M201)
and G2 (P287) and G2a (P15) and for G2a3 (U8 or S126 or L30) and for G2a3b (L141) and for
G2a3b1 (P303)
The status of the men here with regard to the three subgroups of G2a3b1 is negative for the 
three subgroups of G2a3b1 based on testing within the DYS568= 9 group.  

Slowly mutating markers are most useful in identifying subgroups within a clade.  The Bancks sample has
a 9 value at marker DYS450.  This is a very slowly mutating marker, and the value seen both in adjacent clades
and also in other members of the northern England clade is the ancestral 8 value.  Testing is currently
underway to see if all the Bankses have a 9.  If so, none of the other surnamed persons here share a common
male ancestor with them.  The 9 may be unique to the Bancks line, and -- if so -- it has no significance.

The Rushton samples results show their common ancestor shared with other clade members lived farther back
in time.  Their marker anomalies, which can be described as slow to medium in mutation speed, have a
gray background in the chart. 

Recommended additional deep ancestry testing for men here with the interest and funds for this:

Upgrading to 67 markers for deep ancestry purposes is almost always useful in helping to better establish
relationships and time calculations to a common ancestor.  For deep ancestry purposes only one
person in a surname project needs to upgrade.  However, the additional markers may be useful within a
surname project in establishing family branches.

All tested persons in the DYS568=9 group have tested positive for the P303 SNP which characterizes G2a3b1.
The outcome of such testing for all the samples listed below is very predictable as P303+ and, in my
opinion, unnecessary.   SNP testing can be ordered as what is called the deep clade SNP test in the
haplotree section of the individual Family Tree DNA results page.  P303 (G2a3b1) is included in this deep
clade test.  
 
There is no hint that the men here are positive for either of the currently three known P303 subgroups.  One
(G2a3b1b - L42) is found only in DYS388= 13 persons, and the other (G2a3b1a - U1) was found
negative in one of the men below.   Multiple DYS568=9 persons were found negative for L139 (G2a3b1c).
These three mutations occur only within certain other G2a3b1 groups, and everyone in the DYS568=9
group will almost certainly have the same negative results for these three tests.

So ordering any of these additional tests is, in my opinion, not a good use of money for men on this page.
The U1, L42 and L139 tests can be found on the Family Tree DNA results page in the Order Tests
section as advanced SNP tests for $29US each.
  

                                                                                                                                     Marker designations in blue

Kit No.	Surname	Ancestral.origin	Haplo Code	YSearch Link	393	390	19 (394)	391	385 a	385 b	426	388	439	389 i	392	389 ii	458	459 a	459 b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464 a	464 b	464 c	464 d	464 e	464 f	460	GATA H4	YCA IIa	YCA IIb	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	531	578	395 S1a	395 S1b	590	537	641	472	406 S1	511	425	413 a	413 b	557	594	436	490	534	450	444	481	520	446	617	568	487	572	640	492	565	441	461	463	445	452	YGATA A10	YGATA H4.1	462	GGAAT 1807	635
31595	Banks	LancashireEngl	MANY	D59FR	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	12	11	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	18	19	36	38	11	10																															15	11	22				22
37419	Banks	LancashireEngl	GENL	ND7B5	14	22	15	10	13	14	11	12	11	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	19	19	36	37	11	10
58515	Banks	LancashireEngl	GENL	B9PAU	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	18	19	36	37	11	10
85176	Bancks	LancashireEngl	GENL	SXSVF	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	17	19	35	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	12	10	8	12	9	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	16	9	14	22	23	17	10	9	13	10	11	11	12
104588	Banks	LancashireEngl	GENL	HGJFJ	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
	Pemberton	LondonEngl	?	XWHKK	14	22	15	10	14	14	11	12	12	12	11	29
	Newson	LondonEngl	X		14	22	15	10	14	15	11	12	11	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23		21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15							10																				14			17								15	11	22	11	26	15	22	12	11	21
31503	Prtichett/Weir	KentuckyUSA	PART		14	22	15	10	14	15	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	19	18	36	37	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	9	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	17	8	14	22	23	17	10	9	13	10	11	11	12
68740	Powers	WaterfordIreland	FULL	S8542	14	22	15	10	14	15	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	18	`19	35	36	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	12	10	8	12	9	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	14	22	23	17	10	9	13	10	11	11	12
N23797	Lord	Ireland	SOME		14	22	15	10	15	15	11	12	13	12	11	29	15	9	9	12	10	23	16	21	30	13	13	14	14			11	11	20	21	15	14	18	19	35	38	11	10	11	8	15	16	8	11	10	8	12	9	14	22	22	14	10	12	12	16	8	14	22	23	17	10	9	13	10	11	11	11
60769	Rushton		GENL	SW2PB	14	22	16	10	14	15	11	12	12	12	11	29	15	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	13	14			11	11	20	21	15	12	18	`19	36	37	11	10
60767	...Rushton....		X	CKNT4	14	22	16	10	14	15	11	12	12	12	11	29	16	9	9	11	11	23	16	21	29	13	13	13	14

Haplogroup SNP Testing Codes
           Negative results not pertinent to the men here are not listed
X - not tested 
? - unclear what testing was or was not done
GENL - Was found M201+ ....this is only general G with no testing for any subgroups
PART- Was found P15+ (G2a) but never tested for any G2a subgroups relevant to the men here
MANY - Was found P15+ (G2a) ....AND .... U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3)
                      not tested for P303 (G2a3b1)
FULL - Was found P15+ (G2a) ....AND .... U8+ or S126+ or L30+ (G2a3)...and P303+ (G2a3b)


Link to Haplogroup G Tree Structure