The best damn Jesus FAQ you'll ever read!!!
This FAQ is authored by The Sage, copyright © 1995-2007 -- All rights reserved

"Kill one person and you're a murderer...kill 100,000 and you're a conqueror...kill everyone and you're God!"
(Anonymous)
WHAT'S WRONG WITH BELIEVING?
 
 
Objectives...

In this FAQ you will learn:
  • History does not record Jesus as ever existing.
  • The Bible is full of inaccurate science, false prophecies, fabricated history, and blatant errors and therefore cannot be trusted to show you any "truths".
  • How to defend yourself against fanatical proselytizing.
  • What the plans of Hell and salvation tell us about the character of God.
Outline...
  1. What's wrong with believing?
  2. Where is Bible history fabricated?
  3. What errors are in the Bible?
  4. Where is Bible science inaccurate?
  5. What Biblical doctrines are flawed?
  6. How should I respond to preaching?
  7. What's wrong with Atheism?
  8. Appendix A: The Messed Up Genealogy of Christ
  9. Appendix B: The World's First Pyramid Scheme
  10. Appendix C: Related links of interest

If there is anything about the history or bibliography of the Bible or Koran that is made up or make believe, that would implicate that Jesus or Mohammad are made up or make believe as well. You may well ask, "What does it matter"? Sure there is nothing wrong with believing in things that don't exist, but the problem isn't with the believing part, the problem is with acting on those unfounded beliefs parts. For example, during the time of the Inquisitions, Christians everywhere believed that it would be morally insane to calmly stand by while thousands of unbelieving people in the world were being sent to Hell at their death, so any immoral or unrighteous act -- torture, maiming, burning alive -- was justifiable if it meant having the person confess a belief in God before they died so they would go to Heaven. They imagined God was pleased that they were forcing so many thousands of people to go to Heaven and they imagined themselves as saving the world. Ditto for Muslims and their never ending Jihads against all infidels. These people have never considered the thought that they were never helping anyone, but they were just being their true selves -- immoral and barbaric. Look at the history of what else blind faith can do: Witch Hunts, Crusades, the 100-year War, the Catholics vs the Protestants in Ireland, the persecution of Galileo and Copernicus and other scientists, and so on and so forth. The psychology of beliefs and how people relate to things that don't exist does matter, especially when such contrived beliefs can do more lasting harm to people then it can do to help them.

You make think that such immoral atrocities such as the Inquisitions are past history and wouldn't happen with modern day believers, but you would be dead wrong. In America in the 1980's and 1990's, many innocent people were persecuted and imprisoned over the forced confessions taken from little children about imaginary Satanic ritual abuses, abuses such as baby sacrifices, massacres of Christians, Nazi mind-control, magically mobilized killer bees, and children sex slaves. None of these things ever occurred, yet due to the totally blind faith thinking of certain religious or religiously-minded people, they believed anyway and convicted innocent people (see SATAN'S SILENCE: RITUAL ABUSE AND THE MAKING OF A MODERN AMERICAN WITCH HUNT by Debbie Nathan and Michael Snedeker, New York, NY: BasicBooks, 1995). So don't think it can't happen again or that it could never happen to you in modern times.

If the Bible parades something as fact that actually is fiction, the question is, can we distinguish the fact from the fiction? Yes we can. For example, it is obvious that in everyday reality, plants and animals do not talk in human languages, people do not rise from the dead, food doesn't fall from the sky for years on end, and God or Gods do not exist outside of the storytales told of them. So any claims that they do are obviously fictional. This is not a case of "different realities" because there can only be one reality and it supersedes all other claims of a different reality. That and because there is a way to test for reality and it is called logical thinking. I don't think anyone reading this article would have problems determining if Aesop's Fables is fact or fiction, so let's start with that.

In Aesop's fables, animals talk in human languages so we know that is fiction. Likewise, in the Torah, Balaam's donkey talks in a human language so we know that is fiction too. Now think about what that implies. If the talking donkey wasn't real, then Balaam was not real, King Moab was not real, Israel was never blessed by Balaam, Balaam never led Israel into sin, and the entire Book of Numbers is fictional. Numbers is a poor fiction with no sustained plot, is not profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, or for instruction in righteousness. Fiction never is. Fiction is only purely for entertainment. How many books do you know have fiction mixed in with non-fictional parts that want to be taken seriously? There are none. How can you trust a book that purports to tell you the "Truth" and then tells tall tales like a donkey talking to it's rider? You can't. Likewise, anywhere we read stories of someone who instantly heals people, or someone who curses fig trees and has them shrivel up, or someone who rises from the dead, we know it is fiction. These things do not happen in real life.

This does not mean that we cannot glean some wisdom and truth from reading the Torah or Aesop's Fables, but why would I why choose any fairytale in an attempt to find wisdom and truth? That in itself is not wise. For example, do you want to find lots of truth and wisdom on how to raise your children very well? It's not in the Torah or New Testament Bible. It's not in Aesop's Fables. But it is in NANNY 911. There are exceptions to the rule though. The research paper, THE BENEFITS OF FREQUENT POSITIVE AFFECT: DOES HAPPINESS LEAD TO SUCCESS (by Sonja Lyubomirsky, Laura King, and Ed Diener), describe a formula for happiness that is present in most religions: be grateful for what you have, practice being kind, be forgiving of your enemies, take care of yourself, be positive, and invest in friends and family. In the case of religion, remember to follow the exceptions, not the rule.

The Bible is a typical man-made item, full of false prophecies, blatant contradictions, inaccurate science, and revisionist history. Again, there is nothing wrong with believing in things that are full of false prophecies, blatant contradictions, inaccurate science, and revisionist history, the problem is with acting on those unfounded beliefs, as so many people have and do.


WHERE IS BIBLE HISTORY FABRICATED?

It is one thing to claim a book is not historically factual, contradicts itself, and is not scientifically accurate, and therefore makes the story of Jesus sound like a myth, fable, or other make believe story, but it is quite another thing to demonstrate it. So, in this, and the following sections, we will demonstrate all of these things (and more) within the Bible...

THE PROBLEM WITH NAZARETH

Jesus grew up in a city called Nazareth because of an Old Testament prophecy that said he would grow up in a city called Nazareth. Yet if you read the Bible, you will discover that the Old Testament never ever mentions the word "Nazareth". So how in the world could something that is never mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament, be said to have been "spoken by the prophets"? One could understand such a blunder if it could be proven that Matthew simply misunderstood an actual prophecy or misquoted an actual prophecy, but Matthew slams the door shut for good on that only option when he proceeds to hang himself with his own rope by also making up history to go along with his make believe prophecy. Matthew does this by going on to claim that Nazareth was originally built on the brow of a hill, and then later moved to property adjacent to the original site. Jesus is thought to have died in 33AD, so that means that Nazareth existed before 33AD, yet real life history only supports one Nazareth and it didn't exist until 135AD -- over 100 years after Jesus supposedly existed! Current day Nazareth does not exist anywhere near a hill with a cliff and all of the hills closest to current day Nazareth do have any ruins of the original Nazareth, including the ruins of an ancient synagogue. Matthew is clearly and unambiguously caught red-handed telling a lie. If you can't trust Matthew to tell the truth about where Jesus grew up, how can you trust anything else Matthew says about Jesus? How can you trust any of the other gospels that stand behind Matthew? You can't!

THE PROBLEM WITH GOD TAKING HIS PEOPLE OUT OF EGYPT

Egyptian records and archaeological evidence disprove the idea that the Pharaoh Ramses II and his army drowned in the Red Sea, or that all of Egypt's first born died. Some will claim that this is because Egyptian records usually are lies created for propaganda reasons and not to be trusted. So what records are to be trusted in their place? The records of a country's enemies would surely capitalize on the misfortune of their enemies for propaganda reasons, just like Egypt did, but no such records of Egypt's enemies document any such disaster befalling the Egyptians as claimed by the Bible. The most trustworthy evidence around, archaeological evidence, also proves the Bible wrong in this respect. Soon after Pharoah's army died by drowning in the Red Sea, approximately one million Israelites were condemned to wander the wilderness for forty years, but yet there is absolutely no evidence that a group of one million nomads (and their animals) wandered about the wilderness for forty years, despite the fact that such a large number of people living for so long in such a region should have left tons of evidence. If archaeologists can find evidence of small bands of nomads who wandered the wilderness thousands of years of ago, surely they should be able to find evidence of a huge band of nomads who roamed there for forty years. What tons of evidence would they leave behind? How about tons of human excreta? How about leftover campfires? How about tons of animal excreta? And what about all those dead people? Everyone of those people that left Egypt died in the wilderness and didn't get to enter the promise land (with one exception). Where are all those make believe bones hiding at?

THE PROBLEM WITH THE GOSPELS

If the Gospels really were eyewitness accountings of a real life person, why are they such contradictory stories? The stories just don't tell things from a different viewpoint but are very different in their accountings as far as dates and times go or what was actually witnessed.

The two most important events in all of Christianity would have to be Jesus' crucifixion and his resurrection. These two events are at the heart and core of Christianity. So why does Mark say the crucifixion occurred AT the 3rd hour (9:00am) but John says the crucifixion occurred AFTER the 6th hour (12:00pm)! When was Jesus discovered to be resurrected? Again notice the account given in the Bible: Mark says it occurred AT the rising of the sun but John says it was STILL dark! Mary came to the tomb while there was still darkness in the account given in John, while Matthew turns around and says that Mary had came to the tomb when it was already light. The fact that John started his trip AFTER Mary, when it was light, yet when John arrived it was still dark!

Another example of this is the parable of the fig tree. So did it happen on the way to Jerusalem or on the way back? Well let me ask you this, if it was a parable, who told the parable? Jesus was not quoted as saying it. Who was then? The story of the fig tree was told as a narrative and not as a parable. It isn't an eyewitness accounting and it isn't a parable. What is it then? It is an example of how inauthentic and phony the gospels are.

THE PROBLEM WITH DATING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

The New Testament is a modern invention, dating to well after Jesus ever supposedly existed. The only standard by which the New Testament (NT) can be judged by is the Codex Vaticanus (Vatican 1209), which cannot be traditionally dated any earlier then the 4th century AD during the reign of Constantine. We can refer to earlier collections containing manuscripts by or about Christians that date before the reign of Constantine, but manuscripts "by or about Christians" (ie -- bibliographies, testimonies, etc) are not the same thing as manuscripts "by or about Jesus" (ie -- the Gospels). The reality is, there are only three major or mostly complete New Testament finds:

  1. Chester Beatty Papyri
  2. Codex Sinaiticus
  3. Codex Vaticanus

    I left off finds such as:

  1. The Bodmer Papyri
  2. The John Rylands Fragment
  3. The Oxyrhunchus Manuscripts
  4. The Muratorain Fragment

The reason for those omissions are because these other finds aren't called fragments for nothing, as they do not contain whole chapters or whole books of any actual existing New Testament Bible of their time. Most are just one or two sentences of something that sounds like it could have come from a pre-existing Bible -- if you use your imagination real hard like. It is assumed that these random bits and pieces came from a pre-existing New Testament Bible books but that is wishful thinking based on tradition and guesswork and not actual facts. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Shroud of Turin have all been radiocarbon dated (of which one item came before and one item came after the New Testament was supposed to have been written), yet not one of the above New Testament major finds has ever been subjected to that same radiocarbon dating. It is all based on the logical fallacy of affective error (the tendency to presume facts of what we wish were true), the datings being based instead on paleographic guesswork or unreliable tradition. In other words, someone looked at the script and writing style and then made a guess as then when they thought it was first composed or they just invented a date out of thin air...

  1. The Oxyrhynchus Gospels :
    1. Age determined by using an "estimated" date
    2. REF: WIKIPEDIA
  2. The other Oxyrhynchus New Testament books :
    1. Age determined by a personal "judgement" of the dating
    2. REF: UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA
  3. Rylands 475 :
    1. Age determined "paleographically"
    2. REF: WIKIPEDIA
  4. The Muratorian fragment :
    1. Age determined "traditionally"
    2. REF: WIKIPEDIA

So historically, the New Testament appeared to have slowly evolved over time, since there was no universally recognized New Testament canon or books of the Bible until after the Council of Trent -- which is 16th century. The Church Of England followed shortly thereafter with it's own version of the (King James) Bible.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS

For being considered the most influential person in all of history, it is strange that of the 28 first century historians who existed at the time of Jesus, none of them mention Jesus at all...

  1. Philo Judaeus
  2. Valerius Maximus
  3. Marcus Manilius
  4. Velleius Paterculus
  5. Quintus Curtius Rufus
  6. Pomponius Mela
  7. Lucius Annaeus Seneca
  8. Petronius Arbiter
  9. C. Musonius Rufus
  10. Aulus Persius Flaccus
  11. Marcus Annaeus Lucanus
  12. Hero(n) of Alexandria
  13. Geminus
  14. Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella
  15. Cleomedes
  16. Phaedrus
  17. Dioscorides
  18. Plutarch of Chaeronea
  19. Justus of Tiberias
  20. Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus)
  21. Dio Chrysostom (Cocceianus Dio)
  22. Marcus Fabius Quintilianus
  23. Publius Papinius
  24. Dio of Prusa
  25. Silius Italicus
  26. Sextus Julius Frontinus
  27. Marcus Valerius Martialus
  28. Hierocles of Alexandria

The very first historian to supposedly mention Jesus at all was Josephus Flavianus, but if you read Josephus for yourself, you will find that he doesn't talk about Jesus at all, he just merely mentions a "Christus" in passing while talking about his brother. That hardly counts as much of a influence on history. The only influence came from the Popes, not Jesus.

MORE PROBLEMS WITH THE HISTORICITY OF THE BIBLE

Matthew 2:16
Herod was never recorded in history as doing this.
Matthew 15:1-6 and Mark 7:1-5
The washing of hands was not a ritual until after 65 A.D.
Matthew 27:15
This was never a custom in Israel.
Mark 10:12
Jewish women had no right of divorce back in the first century.
Luke 1:5 vs 2:1-3
Herod the Great died in 4BC. The 1st census is recorded by Josephus as happening in the 1st year of Judea's Roman rule under Quirinius in 6AD.
John 3:2
Teachers were not called Rabbi until after 70AD

WHAT ERRORS ARE IN THE BIBLE?

Everybody makes mistakes, so what's wrong if the Bible has a few contradictions here or there? The problem is that the Bible is supposed to represent the ultimate word on reality, and a blatant contradiction implies a conflict with the facts of reality. Here is a very small listing of some of the contradictions, mistakes, and inconsistencies that can be found in the Bible that give much doubt and uncertainty to any claim that the Bible represents the ultimate word on reality...

THE PROBLEM WITH OLD TESTAMENT CONTRADICTIONS AND ERRORS

Gen 7:2
How to know clean from unclean when no law (book of Exodus or Leviticus) yet?
Gen 15:7,8 vs. Exodus 6:3
God told Abraham his name before he mentioned it in Exodus.
Gen 37:27 vs. Gen 37:28
Who sold Joseph to whom?
Exodus 14:21
The Bible says that an east wind blew all night and dried up the red sea. What was left for Moses to part the next day then, like it showed in the movie, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS?
Exodus 20:5 vs. Ezekiel 18:20
Make up your mind!
Exodus 33:20 vs. Job 19:26
Job saw God without dying!
Leviticus 3:17 vs. Nehemiah 8:10
How can Forever=1445BC - 445BC=1000 years?
Deuteronomy 10:6 vs. Numbers 33:37,38
How many times could Aaron die?
I Samuel 28:6 vs. I Chronicles 10:13,14
Did Saul inquire or not inquire of God?
I Samuel 31:4 vs. II Samuel 1:10
Saul kill or not kill himself?
I Chronicles 21:1 vs. II Samuel 24:1
Who dunnit? Was God or the Devil responsible?
I Chronicles 21:5 vs. II Samuel 24:9
Maybe there was two Joabs?
II Chronicles 14:3,5 vs. 15:17
Removed or not removed high places?
II Chronicles 16:1 vs. I Kings 15:33
Was it 36 or 3?
II Chronicles 2:14 vs. I Kings 7:14
Was he skillful or not skillful in other things besides brass?
II Chronicles 4:2-6 vs. I Kings 7:26
Was it 2000 or 3000 bath measures?
II Samuel 6:23 vs. II Samuel 21:8
Just how many Michals did David have as a wife?
Psalm 110:1 vs Psalm 110:5
Catch 22 because God always on your left hand.
Proverbs 16:4
The Devil didn't make me do it...God did!
Isaiah 45:7
God creates our disasters for us!
Jeremiah 25:33 vs. Ezekiel 39:12
Buried or not buried?
Jeremiah 52:12 vs. II Kings 25:8
Was it the 7th or 10th?
Habakkuk 3:3
Was God born in Teman?

THE PROBLEM WITH NEW TESTAMENT CONTRADICTIONS AND ERRORS

Matthew 4:1 vs. James 1:13,14
God (AKA the Holy Spirit) leads Jesus into temptation in the Wilderness?
Matthew 12:30 vs. Mark 9:39,40
To be or not to be against me, that is the question...
Matthew 23:9 vs. I Corinthians 4:15
PAUL DOESN'T AGREE WITH JESUS.
Matthew 27:32 vs. John 19:17
Who carried Jesus' cross?
Matthew 27:44 vs. Luke 23:39
Two robbers--One for Jesus, two against?
Matthew 27:46
God forsook Jesus--why not you too?
Matthew 27:9
OOPS! ZECHARIAH'S WORDS--NOT JEREMIAH'S!
Mark 6:3
I thought Mary was a virgin for life? How'd she have kids then?
Mark 7:25-30
Jesus was a racist! He called this woman a dog just because she wasn't a Jew!
Luke 16:9
What a friend we have in money.
John 7:39
The Holy Spirit did not exist before Jesus died?
Acts 7:2-4 vs. Gen 11:31-12:4
The Holy Spirit had already forgot that Abram was already in Haram at that time.
I Corinthians 10:8 vs. Numbers 25:9
God still can't count, can you?

WHERE IS BIBLE SCIENCE INACCURATE?

Christians have tried in vain for thousands of years, to suppress reason and science because reason and science are the enemies of religion. They persecuted Copernicus and Galileo and wound up with egg on their face. They tried to suppress the use of the lightning rod because they were "interfering" with God's means of enacting judgement. But when the neighboring brothel (the one with the lightning-rods installed) was untouched while the tallest structure in the town, the Cross at the top of the church, was being "struck down by God" every other thunderstorm that passed through, they quickly changed their minds -- God approved lightning rods afterall!

The Bible is an ancient man-made document that reflects the ancient, and therefore usually incorrect and backwards science of its day, so it shouldn't surprise us to see all the places in the Bible where science most definitely disagrees with the word of God, places like...

Revelation 7:1 and Isaiah 40:22
FAITH:The Earth has four corners and/or is a flat circular disc
FACT:The Earth is more like a sphere
Leviticus 11:6
FAITH:Rabbits chew cud
FACT:Rabbits do not chew the cud
Leviticus 11:13,19
FAITH:Bats are birds
FACT:Bats are not birds but mammals
Leviticus 11:21,23
FAITH:Some insects have four legs
FACT:No insects have four legs
 

WHAT BIBLICAL DOCTRINES ARE FLAWED?

Christians have deluded themselves into believing that they have a moralistic religion with rules of what absolute right or wrong is. How can they arrogantly claim to have all the answers for mankind when they can't even get their own doctrines straight like their flip-flop on past issues of slavery, women's rights, what constitutes proper dress, predestination, when the rapture will occur, methods of worship, and so on and so forth? Then there is the problem of doctrines such as...

THE PROBLEM WITH "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"

The Bible tells us taking the life of another human is wrong, yet turns around and has Samuel go out and kill every man, pregnant woman, child, baby, and even animal in the so-called Promise Land. Where I come from, that would be called mass-murder, religious cleansing, ethnic cleansing, racial cleansing, and animal cruelty. I guess if Samuel had done this of his own free will, it would be considered evil, but since God told Samuel to do it, it must be "righteous".

So this brings up the question, is God just as unrighteous as man then? I think about all the mass murders and religious cleansings God conducted in the OT. There was (in addition to 1 Samuel 15:2-3) Hosea 9:11-16, Ezekiel 9:5-7, Exodus 12:29-30, Leviticus 26:21-22, Isaiah 13:15-18, Deuteronomy 13:13-19, and so on and so forth. Then there are all the many and varied reasons for us to kill other people in the name of God. We are to kill anyone working on the Sabbath, gays, infidels, false prophets, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, anyone who curses their parents, fortunetellers, witches, and so on and so forth. So "thou shalt not kill" is one of the Ten Commandments, yet there are so many exceptions to the rule in the Bible for killing other people, God has made killing one another the rule instead of the exception to the rule. The Bible has turned a reasonable moral principle into a joke instead of something to be taken seriously.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE POWER OF PRAYER

Jesus said, "If two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven". On Aug 29th of 2005, millions of Christians around the USA prayed in Jesus' name, in agreement together, that New Orleans would be spared. Their prayers failed. They failed when millions of Christians prayed in agreement together in Jesus' name that President Kennedy's life be spared right after he was shot. They failed when millions of Christians prayed in agreement together that Pope John Paul's life be spared. Which means Jesus lied and prayer doesn't work.

But what if there are conditions on all our prayers, and all those Christians embarrassed themselves in front of God and everybody by not praying within God's will? Afterall, even Jesus capitulated to his fate in the Garden of Gethsemane by saying, "Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt". The question then is, how in the world can one read the mind of God and know what is His will? You can't, so clearly "the will of God" is whatever happens, whether you pray for it or not. You want to save New Orleans from destruction? Pray that it is saved. If New Orleans is saved then it was God's will and your prayer had nothing to do with it. If New Orleans is destroyed then it was God's will and your prayer had nothing to do with it. You want to see New Orleans destroyed? Pray that it is destroyed. If New Orleans is destroyed then it was God's will and your prayer had nothing to do with it. If New Orleans is saved then it was God's will and your prayer had nothing to do with it. Praying to God becomes pointless and powerless, when obviously the answer to every prayer will always be silence, neither yes or no, because God won't answer your prayers and in the end He will do whatever He wills, not what you will.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR BEING THE MESSIAH
  1. The Bible states that the Messiah would be the offspring of Adam, Abraham, and David (Gen 3:15, Gen 15:5-6, II Sam 7:12-13, and Gal 3:16). The problem is, the actual greek word for offspring is genos (Strong's #1085), but the Bible doesn't use that word in reference to the Messiah, instead it use the greek word for seed, sperma (Strong's #2233). If you take a look at Strong's #2233, you will find it only lists two main definitions for sperma: (1) that from which a plant germinates, and (2) semen virile. Obviously only the second definition applies and semen is "male ejaculate" and virile means "man", so sperma literally means "male ejaculate that is a man". This is expected since the historically patriarchal bible describes how men "plant seeds" or men "sow offspring", and women are merely the containers for growing a man's seed. Women were called "fertile" or "infertile" by implication of being soil for the seed to grow in. If a couple was childless, it was always the woman's fault, and never because the man could be shooting blanks. The Bible has no word or even a concept for the woman's egg. That is why Biblical genealogies list mens names and not women. This is further emphasized by the fact that of the two genealogies listed for Jesus, not one of them lists women's names because only men can do the begatting, not women (Mt 1:1-17 and Lk 3:23-38). "Begat" (Strong's #1080) is defined as "of men who fathered children" or "of men who fathered children to be begotten" or "of men who fathered children to be begotten of women giving birth to children". Jesus even tells us the meaning of "seed" for us when Jesus interprets what his parable of sowing seeds meant: "The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one" (Matt 13:38). "Seed" stands for sons, not daughters. This can only have one meaning for us: that the Messiah would be the male offspring of a male who was a direct descendant of Adam, Abraham, and David. That would disqualify Mary for conceiving the Messiah so when God made the mistake of providing genetic material for Mary's egg, instead of providing material for Joseph's sperm/seed, He automatically excluded Joseph from begatting Jesus and therefore excluded Jesus from being the seed of Adam, Abraham, and David. Jesus was disqualified from being the Messiah by virtue of his virgin birth.
  2. Another requirement for being the Messiah is that the Messiah could never be a descendent of Coniah (Matthew 1:12 vs Jer 22:28-30). Since Matt 1:12 clearly states that Jesus was descended from Coniah, that means Jesus was part of a cursed lineage that was disqualified, by God Himself, from ever being the Messiah.
  3. Before the Messiah could appear, the Bible says Elijah had to appear fist. When questioned about this, Jesus says in Matthew 17:12,13 that Elijah did come and his name was John the Baptist. The problem is, whatever Jesus meant, figuratively or literally, John the Baptist denied all of it. Surely one would think that if John the Baptist really was sent by God, God would have told him why He was sending him, ie -- to be an Elijah-like figure to precede the Messiah. But John wasn't aware of being Elijah in a past life or of being an Elijah-like figure in his current life. There was nothing about John the Baptist that was even remotely like Elijah as described in the Old Testament -- there were no miracles performed, there was no resurrection of dead people, there were no prophecies given, and there was no assumption into Heaven. So where is the proof that Elijah came as promised by the Bible, if we were to pretend that Jesus was the Messiah? There is none. But let's pretend that John the Baptist was Elijah -- then what? Well, read the Bible:
    "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse"
    (Mal 4:5,6)
    John the Baptist did not "turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers", and the Earth was never smited with a curse...or was it?
  4. Matt 1:23 states "a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us", but just a mere two verses later (Matt 1:25) we read, "she...brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS", which does not mean "God with us". Joseph called his son Jesus instead of calling his name Emmanuel, nullifying the prophecy that the Messiah's name would be Emmanuel and further disqualifying Jesus from being the Messiah.
     
THE PROBLEM WITH THE TRINITY

There are no testimonies and never will be any testimonies about how, "I didn't decide to accept Christ as my savior until I heard about the Trinity doctrine. That was when I knew then and there that this was the religion for me". Nor will you ever hear any testimonies about how, "I was weak in faith and backsliding like crazy, but then my faith was turned around and uplifted when I heard about the Trinity. The Trinity has made me a new man in Christ". You know why you will never hear those kinds of testimonies about the Trinity? Because the Trinity does not lead people to salvation or build up their faith. All the Trinity doctrine does is lead to endless debating about if the Trinity actually can be found within certain randomly selected Bible verses or not -- something that is clearly condemned in the Bible (Heb 10:24,25). If the Trinity was such an important doctrine as they pretend it to be, you would think that God would have had devoted a chapter or two about it in the Bible, like he did for love or salvation, or at least have Jesus give a sermon on it. The Trinity concept isn't supported by the Bible and therefore requires explanation by "qualified" individuals you must "trust" to tell you the truth, and since there are so many "qualified" individuals who contradict each other, the whole Trinity mess is always open to confusion...hmm, I wonder who the author of confusion is supposed to be?

If Jesus was God, then God ceased to exist when Jesus became a man. Who was left to raise Jesus from the dead then? Men cannot resurrect themselves from the dead, last time I looked. Or maybe Jesus wasn't really the whole of God, he was just a part of God, so that when Jesus became a man, the other parts of God stayed in Heaven to manipulate Jesus like a puppet on a string. That doesn't say much for freewill choice when you are just a sock puppet. Still others have tried to describe each member of the Trinity as God wearing different hats and appearing as a different person. Just because a person wears different hats does not make them appear to be a different person everytime they switch hats. Furthermore, a person with a multiple personality disorder like that, is never described as a three-in-one but only as a one-with-three. Finally, another explanation I have heard is that Jesus is not God but has the same exact properties that God has. Yet if we saw Jesus and God sitting side by side, would they have the same exact properties or would Jesus have something that God didn't have, just so we could tell them apart? If Jesus has something that God doesn't have (how about the name of Jesus?), then that means they are no longer equal or that Jesus is really not all that much Godlike afterall. That is what we call a contradiction of terms. Furthermore, this implies that there aren't three beings anymore, but there are four: Jesus, the Father, the Holy Ghost, and the God thingy. "Two is company but three is a crowd", but in this case three is a committee.

THE PROBLEM WITH SPEAKING IN TONGUES

In the beginning, how many languages were spoken in Heaven and Earth? The answer is one because the only reason for establishing multiple languages was to create confusion. Read about the tower of Babel and see what I mean. So if someone who speaks in tongues claims to be speaking in an "unknown language" or "a language of angels" and not men, since all the angels speak one language (to avoid confusion in Heaven) and it was the same language that Adam spoke (to avoid confusion between God, the angels, and Adam in the beginning), therefore it would have to be a language that is still spoken somewhere here on Earth (Hebrew?). We need to remember these three things about tongues...

  1. Tongues is a sign to unbelievers, not believers
  2. Interpretation of tongues is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers
  3. When performed in public, tongues was clearly and unambiguously forbidden by the Bible to no more than three people at most, when done in public

So whatever is said during the "tongues" part but before the "interpretation" part, it had better convey something to the unbeliever that is "of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's". Speaking in gibberish as they do, is not by any stretch of the imagination, a "miracle".

THE PROBLEM WITH EVIL

God is allowing Satan to rule the world for the time being, but in the meantime, God is giving His collaboration, cooperation, and assistance to keep Satan in business. How can you trust a person who would give their collaboration, cooperation, and assistance to your enemies? Which is more evil: the one who commits the crime or the one who aids and abets a criminal in committing a crime? God has allowed evil to exist for thousands and thousands of years, so clearly God does not believe in damage control or nipping things in the bud.

THE PROBLEM WITH HELL

If we don't choose to believe God is unbelievably kind and loving, God will instead become unbelievably wrathful. A wrathful person cannot simultaneously be called kind and loving. They are incompatible traits. God then decides that the vast majority of humankind will go to Hell because of the evil He gave permission to exist in the first place. That means billions and billions of people will go to Hell. Why wouldn't a "loving God" cut His losses to a minimum and stop evil at the point that only one thousand or even one million people would go to Hell, instead of the current billions and billions? Why doesn't God doesn't turn the other cheek to His enemies, instead of deep frying them in Jesus' version of Hitler's Ovens, if they don't tell God what a swell person He is? I would never wish Hell on anyone and I especially would not support any man, woman, or religion that preached what appears to be the ultimate religious/racial cleansing act ever (sadistically) conceived.

So why doesn't the supreme creator of the universe and the ultimate psychologist believe in rehabilitation? It is impossible for there to not be at least one person in Hell who is sorry for the life they had lived that put them there in Hell, so what justification would there be to still leave them there? If God doesn't believe in rehabilitation, why should we?

II Peter 3:9 says, "...he [God] is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance [that leads to salvation]". Yet this contrasts sharply with the statement that Jesus made concerning Capernum in Matt 11:23, "And you, Capernaum, will you perhaps be exalted to heaven? Down to Hades you will come; because if the powerful works that took place in you had taken place in Sodom, it would have remained until this very day". This implies that God was not patient with Sodom but he desired to destroy Sodom, because if God had simply performed the powerful works that took place in Capernum, Sodom would have remained until this very day, and there would be that many more people that would have attained the repentance that leads to salvation.

So if God's love isn't enough to convince non-believers to be saved now, how will the threat of a Hell be the final clincher to convince them that God is real and they must be saved? It is like a man standing over there, holding a gun to your head and saying, "Vow to always respect and admire me and I will invite you into my mansion to live with me the rest of your life or refuse and I will blow your brains out right here. So which will it be punk? Go ahead...make my day!"? How can you respect or trust a person like that?

Paul talks about how God has made some "vessels" fit for destruction and others not, but why would God make people fit for Hell? My mother and my father conceived and raised me. Does that make them good parents or bad parents? That depends on how they treated me, doesn't it? Just because they are my parents does not mean they deserve respect or admiration, for example, maybe they were child abusers. God clearly does not have the right to do what He likes with what He owns or has created. There are higher principles at work here. For example, God has no right to commit child abuse. Just as man has the ability to create things then use those creations for good or evil, so does God. After any God has created something, He should turn around and take responsibility for taking proper care of that creation. God apparently isn't fit to be a Father.

Some people claim that without Hell, there is no reason for anyone to be good. These people are telling us that if they didn't believe in Hell, they would have no reason to not be a murderer or a child molester or a thief or a rapist. Is this the "real" them then? I know God does not exist, yet I have no desire to become a murderer or a child molester because that is not what I am. I obviously must have a built-in moral compass that these Christians do not have. If these people were to find out today that God really doesn't exist, there would be nothing to stop them from becoming murderers or child molesters or thieves or rapists. Yet if I were to find out today that God really does exist, I wouldn't change a thing about my behavior because I already do what is good by my own free will. I don't need threats for me to act good because righteousness is it's own reward and unrighteousness is it's own punishment.

In the end, God will create a new Heaven and a new Earth...but wait! What about Hell? Is God going to make a new Hell too, or is the old Hell good enough as it is? Heaven and Earth won't be all that new if the old Hell is still hanging around in them.

THE PROBLEM WITH SALVATION

The problem with salvation is the same exact problem with Hell. If we don't choose to believe God is unbelievably kind and loving, God will instead become unbelievably wrathful and send us to Hell. Salvation therefore is the act of God saving us from Himself. Why can't God unconditionally forgive and forget, without anyone having to ask Him, and instead of having a temper tantrum where He tries to get even by sending almost everybody to Hell? "The wages of sin is death", not Hell, so why does the Bible tells us that God, "desire[s] mercy, not sacrifice"? Obviously because mercy doesn't work for God, and when mercy didn't work God resorted to sacrifice, and when sacrifice didn't work, God gave up and resorted to Hell. If the main purpose of Jesus coming to die on earth was to save sinners from Hell, then Jesus failed, since the Bible says the vast majority of humankind will go to Hell.

Even if you are a believer, salvation doesn't work out all that well either. If salvation depended entirely just on accepting it, then St James would not have been inspired to write, "You see that A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, AND NOT BY FAITH ALONE." (James 2:24). A true gift, by definition, is free, with no strings attached. Under the New Testament law, there are more rules, guidelines, obligations, and responsibilities of behavior than there ever were under the Old Testament law, so much so that St Paul likens salvation to running a race: "...RUN in such a way THAT YOU MAY ATTAIN IT... LEST POSSIBLY, after I have preached to others, I MYSELF SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED." (I Cor 9:24-27). Running a race is hard work. If you don't have the endurance to finish it, you may find yourself quitting, and thereby losing the race. Paul says that you may also run the race in such a way that you might find yourself disqualified (such as cheating by taking a shortcut). Clearly "once saved always saved" is a false doctrine and salvation "comes with strings attached".

THE PROBLEM WITH JESUS' CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION

The two most important events in all of Christianity would have to be Jesus' crucifixion and his resurrection. These two events are at the heart and core of Christianity. But listen to this: Jesus said, "...for just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the belly of the earth three days and three nights." (Matt 12:40) and "And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again"(Mar 8:31). So how much time elapsed between the time Jesus died and the time Jesus rose?

Remember the account in the Bible of this? First they have the Lord's Supper and Judas' betrayal. That would be between 6PM Thursday and 12 midnight Friday. Jesus is on trial by 6AM Friday (cock crowing). John lists the time of Jesus' death as late Friday afternoon, after 3PM. The Jews don't want dead bodies hanging around for the weekly sabbaton (which starts Friday at 6PM), so they have the body taken down and thrown in a makeshift grave. After 6PM (the "the next day" for Jews) the Jews have the grave secured by guards for three days. Sunday before 6AM, Jesus is gone. The problem with this is that is only two nights and one full day. THIS IS A PROPHECY THAT DID NOT COME TRUE THEN! Jesus should have risen on Monday, not Sunday, or that he should have died on Thursday, not Friday.

Jesus died on Friday (sabbaton), the day before Saturday and since the Friday Jesus died on was also a Passover feast, it was the day before the Passover Sabbath (prosabbaton). So what day did the Passover Sabbath fall on? Saturday, the weekly sabbath. So this was no ordinary weekly sabbath and it was no ordinary Passover Sabbath. It was a super double whammy Sabbath because it was two Sabbaths on the same day. John calls it a "high day". Notice how John calls it a high day and not high days.

HOW SHOULD I RESPOND TO PREACHING?
"It is only by your failure to learn and gain insight from the holy scriptures that prevents you from seeing God for what He truly is."
When God sets out to teach and he fails to teach, does He always blame the student and never assumes that possibly, just possibly, He might be a poor teacher or a poor example instead? Has He or you proven that His teachings are conveyed in the most accurate, simplest means possible? No! They aren't accurate and they aren't as simple as they should be, therefore God is a failure...He just doesn't have enough guts to admit it!

One of the first things that a street evangelist or preacher has to convince you of, is that you are a sinner. If they can convince you that sin exists, then the logical conclusion is that you must be a sinner...and if you are a sinner you need forgiveness and forgiveness only comes from accepting Jesus.

In order to convince you of your sin, they will cite the ten commandments: Thou shalt not steal, lie, commit adultery, etc. In reality, there are way more than ten commandments listed throughout Exodus 20:2-17, Exodus 34:12-26, and Deuteronomy 5:6-21. Of the most often cited ten commandments, the first four commandments are standing orders to have no other religion other than one that worships Yahweh (Jehovah). Funny how they *never* mention those first four commandments when trying to convince you of your allegedly sinful nature! It's like yeah, I'm "guilty" of not belonging to your religion, but isn't it kind of bigoted and self-serving for a religion to define as a "sinner" anyone who isn't a member of their religion? Of course it is!

What about the other commandments, for example, thou shalt not lie? They will ask you if you have ever told a lie, and if you ever have told just one lie, what does that make you? A liar? Well have you ever told the truth? What does that make you then? A liar is someone who practices telling lies whereas an honest person is someone who practices telling the truth. One lie does not make you a liar anymore than running from one fight makes you a coward -- unless you do it everytime you face a fight. And the Bible does not say that lying is wrong, it says bearing false witness against your neighbor is wrong. I have never beared false witness against my neighbor. And since when is lying always wrong? What if you were a German living during Hitler's reign and I was a Jew living under your protection, and all of a sudden the police come knocking on your door, asking if you were harbouring any Jews? Would telling a lie be a good thing or a bad thing under those circumstances?

What about using God's name in vain? That would be kind of impossible, seeing as no one knows exactly what God's name is. "God" is not a name, it is a title, like President.

How about thou shalt not commit adultery or thou shalt not kill/murder? Most people will say no they haven't done either, so the street evangelist or preacher will shift gears and say Jesus said if you even look upon another woman with lust, you have committed adultery in your heart or if you have been angry with your brother you have committed murder in your heart. There are two problems with this. One, since I am not a Christian, no one is my brother and I cannot hate what I do not have. Now if Jesus had said if you have been angry with your neighbor, that would have been a different story. Two, Jesus did not say that lust was adultery. Obviously Jesus was speaking to married couples lusting after other partners, or single people lusting after married people because that is the only time you can commit adultery. Clearly without lust, no one ever get married and St Paul would not have been inspired to instruct followers to remain single if they could, but if they were unable to control their non-sinful lusting, it would be better if they got married. Furthermore, wasn't the purpose of this whole routine to show how Old Testament Law can convince me that I'm a sinner, but here you are, trying to amend a few Old Testament commandments with New? If the Law isn't enough to convict me, as the Bible claims the Law can do, then it isn't true .

Ask your preacher friend if they keep the Sabbath (Saturday) holy like the ten commandments told them to. Oh, it doesn't apply to them because it was just a ceremonial law, not a moral law? So they just negate and admend the commandments to suit their lifestyle; they've taken the ten commandments and whittled it down to just nine. But why stop there? If they can subtract one commandment from God's word what's to stop them from eliminating them all, when it suits their purposes?

As you can see, you can pick their argument apart into little pieces with nothing left for them to hold onto. Of course, by that point, they would have given up on you and hope and pray that "the Spirit would convict you of your sinfulness". But the point is that you would have planted seeds of doubt into their minds of the credibility of their religion. Mind you, don't expect an immediate renouncement of their religion, just a slow undermining of their blind, stupid faith.

A formerly difficult question I have been faced with from Christians before is, "What if I'm right and you are wrong? You will suffer in Hell while I will live in ecstasy in Heaven. Right? But what if you are right and I am wrong? Then we will both simply die and be done with it. But why take the chance that you could be wrong?" This is what I call the "heads I win, tails you lose" argument. But what if both of us are wrong and there is yet a third belief that will condemn the both of us forever for not believing in it? Why take the chance that we could both be wrong?


"If God does exist and is both good and evil, then why don't you find out what it takes to cash in on the good part, especially if He says each group will be handled differently?"
Better then giving in and sucking butt to yet another tyrannical being, why not fight to be free of He/She/It/Them?
"People used to deny the existence of microscopic life. They firmly believed that things like that didn't exist. Then along comes Anton van Leeuwenhoek who discovers that lo and behold! Bacterium exist! Now weren't all the scoffers embarrassed when it turned out that they were wrong?"
The analogy being conveyed here is that Atheists are like those scoffers but instead of scoffing at the concept of microscopic life, they are scoffing at God. But is this analogy really applicable?
There were people in Anton van Leeuwenhoek's day who also believed in the concept of Spontaneous Creation, that life could spontaneously appear out of nowhere, where there previously was none. Then along comes Anton van Leeuwenhoek who discovers that lo and behold! Life was already there, it was just microscopic.
Contrary to popular belief, skepticism doesn't kill ideas, it actually helps logical and objective ideas to grow and it does that by killing off make believe fantasies. What would they have called the first group of "scoffers" if Anton van Leeuwenhoek turned out to be wrong? You can only call these people scoffers or say that they were wrong in HINDSIGHT and not by FORESIGHT. No one could rationally and logically have called them scoffers or say that they were wrong BEFOREHAND...not without proof. It is so easy to say in hindsight that they were stupid to not believe in microscopic life, but it is so easy to forget that we also only know of the fact of the existence of microscopic life by way of hindsight and not by foresight.
The belief in the existence of God relies on foresight and not on hindsight. We don't have the privilege of having the hindsight to be able to say, "It was at this point in history that God was discovered to physically exist and now you can never deny His existence!". Instead it has always been, "Just you wait and see...one of these days now, just one of these days!". We have been told to look forward to seeing God "someday" for over 6000 years now and we are no closer to seeing God today then they themselves were over 6000 years ago when they first said it!
"You believe in the existence of electrons, don't you? How about the existence of gravity? And how about Quarks or Quasars? You cannot see any of these things can you? So why do you believe in those things but not in God?"
The key word here is "see". What happened to the other words like "feel, hear, taste, and smell"? I can feel gravity, can't you? And how about sticking your hand in a live electrical socket and tell me what you feel? I can measure electrons in many different ways (such as in volts and amps). I can see sparks from the transfer of electrons from one surface to another. Although I cannot see quarks or quasars with my naked eye, I can magnify my sense of eyesight with mechanical devices such as telescopes and microscopes. In the case of quarks the mechanical extension of my senses is called a supercollider.
"Do you need to see a proof of Anne Frank before you will believe what she has said in 'The Diary of Anne Frank'?"
That depends on what I am being asked to believe in. I can choose to believe in Anne Frank and it makes no difference one way or the other if I do or don't. Now if all I am being asked to believe in is the possibility that Anne Frank existed at one time, then fine, I believe without absolute proof. If I am being asked to believe that what Anne Frank wrote was a true story and that story does reasonably approximate what other evidence says existed at the time of her writings, then fine, I believe without absolute proof. But if I am being asked to believe and then give ten percent of my income, or I am being told that I will be thrown into Hitler's ovens if I don't believe, and the story does not reasonably approximate what other evidence says about Anne Frank or the peers of her era, then no, I would not believe without proof because then my belief would matter one way or the other then.
"Hundreds of millions of people say that they have actually physically experienced God's miraculous healing touch, so how can you so arrogantly say that they are ALL incorrect when these events have been documented?"
That is because Christianity falls under the category of magic and not religion. With magic, you must have absolute faith that what you are trying to do will work, or it else it won't work. The same thing can be said of blind faith. So if a Christian totally believes that God will help them, there's a good chance that He "will". That is because God is a placebo, therefore they believe that God answers their prayers and rewards their behaviour, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. When they stop the believing, God stops existing and so do the miracles.
"You can't hope to understand God unless you first experience God. Pray to God to open your eyes and experience Him."
No one has to experience Atheism before they can come to understand it. If God is not real but a placebo, then believing will result in seeing, but it will be a case of self-delusion. If we want to be sure we aren't deluding ourselves, better to understand first, then believe. Besides, your claim is the conceited belief that you have been elevated to a higher level of enlightenment (by belonging to the elite "Jesus Club") then the uninitiated have.
Two people can go through the Matterhorn at Disneyland and experience two different things. One can experience fear while the other can experience fun. This sample contradictory experience shows why experience cannot be a test or proof of scientific or spiritual truth. Experience cannot really describe beforehand what it would be like for you or me to ride the Matterhorn. For example, I might find the ride boring. The experience also needs to be validated by facts. Without a material description of the Matterhorn, your experience means nothing. Without a material description of God, experience means nothing. I also did not have to believe in the Matterhorn beforehand for it to exist or for me to experience it.
"Since you have no means of access to anyone's imagination or their faith or their experience (other than their testimony), or any way to quantify God or anyone's experience of God, or to set up same in laboratory conditions, you cannot even determine whether it is a fact. Yet you accuse christians of having made a God out of imagination?"
Experience means nothing unless it can be validated. Even the Bible tells us this: experience is not a test or proof of Biblical truth, it is just the opposite -- Biblical truth must validate or invalidate their experience. In Matthew 17, Jesus took the disciples into a mountain and He was transfigured before them and a voice out of heaven calls out, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased." Peter later on writes, "I had an experience, I saw Christ in His Second Coming Glory, and I heard the voice of God saying, 'This is My beloved Son with whom I am well pleased." But look what he writes about that experience: "But we have a more sure word of prophecy." What is more sure than experience according to the Bible? The Bible itself! Yet to bad the Bible is full of inaccurate science, false prophecies, fabricated history, and blatant errors and therefore cannot be trusted to validate any experience.
"But the fact is that you cannot prove or disprove anyone's experience of God."
Experience is not scientific proof that God exists. Everyone experiences dreams but that doesn't mean that whatever anyone experiences within those dreams is reality. You choose what you experience or don't experience and therefore experience is limited to what you happen to choose or not choose. That makes experience subjective, unreliable, and prejudiced.
"Many christians say they have multiple eyewitness testimonies. How can you deny multiple eyewitness testimony?"
It isn't eyewitness testimony when you talk about all these other people having experiences similar to yours. Instead of talking about proof, you are talking about optical illusions ("I saw Jesus in a tortilla"), fads (Jesus Freaks, Moral Majority, Christian Coalition, etc), mass delusions (speaking in tongues, apparitions of Mary), mob mentality (Crusades, Inquisitions, Salem Witch Trials, etc), and placebos (faith healings). It appears to me that there is no difference between the divinely inspired Holy Traditions of the Church and superstitious folk customs.
"Your accusation that the Church is guilty of being superstitious is nothing more than old fashioned narrow minded religious bigotry."
So if I don't see it your way, then I must be a "religious bigot"? In your wildest dreams! My accusation that maybe your church is guilty of faking God, is nothing more than common logical sense.
"I've seen too many miracles to turn my back on a belief in God now. The miraculous power of prayer has done wonders for my life and others. It can do wonders for you too if you will just let it."
While "miracles" do happen within the Christian church, they also happen everywhere else in the world.
"Frankly, I am sorry that I mentioned the existence of God to you. I should have followed the advice of Our Lord, 'Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.' (Matt 7:6)."
Are your comments the best and holiest thing you have to offer to us? Those aren't pearls, those are cheap, imitations and not the real thing!
"There was a recent accident on an expressway here. Just as those involved were getting out of their cars, a drunk came along going 90 miles per hour. A young soldier dove to push two people out of the way. But this resulted in that soldier's death, instead. He was honored as a hero at his funeral. How much more should we be thankful that Christ, the very Son of God Almighty, humbled himself to become like us and to die in our place!"
But Jesus did not die a heroes death. It was a planned suicide (by Jesus) and a planned murder (by God).
"But the story of Jesus is called The Greatest Story Ever Told!"
Once upon a time, a new neighbor moved into the house next door to a female friend of mine. My friend got drunk one day and deliberately backed her car into the new neighbor's backyard fence and completely demolished the fence as a result. My friend did not personally know her neighbor yet, but she had heard he was a very kind and loving person. So my friend went next door to make amends and guess what happened? The kind and loving neighbor refused to forgive her and make amends. Every offer my friend came up with, the neighbor refused. The neighbor was so angry with her he wanted to kill her. But the neighbor, being the very kind and loving person he was, decided to give my friend a chance to make amends. He gave my friend two choices: she could let him kill her like he really wanted to or he could kill HIS five-year-old daughter in her place INSTEAD. Now his daughter didn't mind this at all and in fact had already decided this was the course of action she was willing to take. Would you also call this story of the salvation of my friend by a five year old girl, yet another "greatest story ever told"? Yet this is exactly the same type of message as the Bible conveys. I can't accept God's little baby boy, Jesus, as a sacrifice in my place because I am a moral person who would not want such a cruel and unjust thing to happen to anybody except my own worst enemies, and Jesus is not my enemy. It would be unjust for me to allow a little five-year-old girl (or Jesus or anybody for that matter) to die for me when it obviously isn't necessary in the first place!
"The Bible isn't referred to as The Good News for nothing."
Unfortunately there is no such thing as good news, for as one observant anonymous reporter once observed, "The only good news is no news". Not to mention, every Christian denomination has it's own version of the Good News. Here is a small sampling of other versions of the Gospel in a nutshell as indicated from people by their respective beliefs...
THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE AGNOSTIC

God loves me.
He loves me not.
He loves me.
He loves me not.
He loves me.
He loves me not.
Etc...

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE ATHEIST

For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him...is gullible enough to believe in just about damn near anything!

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE BAPTISTS

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever refuses to believeth in him, God will have to hunt them down and kill them and their family.

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE BORN AGAIN BELIEVER

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son unimaginable supernatural powers, and that whosoever believeth in him, can have those very same unimaginable supernatural powers too!

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE CATHOLICS

For God so loved this pagan world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life...and if that doesn't work we have a pay-as-you-go plan with over 2000 statues, icons, and images standing-by to take down your prayers and send them off to God for you

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

For Jehovah so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten WatchTower organization, that whosoever believeth in it will not be prematurely judged unworthy of eternal life by it.

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE JEWS

For God so loved the Jews. Period.

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE MORMONS

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever...[we interrupt this message to bring you this special revelation from Joseph Smith: "While you were busy worshipping Jesus during this message, Jesus sneaked out on us and had "other sheep" folks! No really!"]...believeth in him will not perish...[we interrupt this message to bring you this special revelation from Joseph Smith: "God has decided to add a few amendments to his gospel message as originally given. Let's start by saying that in the beginning, God made them male...and very many females."]...but have everlasting...[we interrupt this message...well, you get the point!]


Too bad for you that Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
Too bad for you Atheism therefore has no false prophets...one thing you cannot say for your organization.
THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO DR SUESS

One day God said
This is what I will do
I'll send down my son
I'll send him to you
To clear up this humpity
Bumpity hulabaloo

His name will be Christ
And he'll never wear shoes
And his pals will all call
Him the King of the Jews

He didn't come in a plane
He didn't come in a jeep
He didn't come in the pouch
Of a high jumping vo veep

He rode on the back of a black sasatoo
Which is the blackiest creature
You ever could view

He rode to Jerusalem
Home of the grumpity Jews
Where false prophets are worshipped
Some even in two's

There was Murrary Von Mer
And Genghis Vo Vooze
The one you could worship
By taking a snooze

Christ spoke from a mound
Which is a pile of ground
And people gathered around
Without making a sound
And thus he spake

Sin in socks
Socks full of sin
How do we quiet this
Jehovady din

Do unto others as
They do unto you
That includes you
Young Timothy Foo

One pharisee said to another he knew
What do we do with this upitty jew
We can wash him in wine
And make him all clean
And into Sam Zittle's
Crucifixion Machine

Twirl the gawhril
And release the gavlease
And in go the nails
As fast as you please

And it is said that he
Said as he bled:

Forgive them Father
For they know not what they do
For they walk through this life
In toe crampity shoes.

Do you?

Amen

(THE KIDS IN THE HALL, by Author unknown)

THE GOOD NEWS ACCORDING TO THE SAGE

For God so loved the world that He will send you to Hell if you don't believe He so loved the world.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ATHEISM?
One does not have to prove the obvious. I think that Psalm 14:1 addresses this issue rather well, 'The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God''."
Do you consider yourself a fool or a wiseman?
"The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool"
(AS YOU LIKE IT, by Shakespeare)
Since the wise man knows himself to be a fool, the wise man will say in his heart, 'There is no God'.
"Atheism has done nothing but sit on the sidelines of history."
You mean sit on the sidelines of history instead of looking for a grand and glorious name for itself like egotistical religion does? You mean sit on the sidelines of history instead of taking part in the "Holy wars" and religious cleansings like religion still does? You mean sit on the sidelines of history instead of repressing science and reason and logic like religion still does?
Atheism doesn't falsely claim to have all the answers like religion pretends it does. Atheism doesn't falsely pretend to save the world like religion has repeatedly failed to do.
"Atheism's single heyday came in this century with the advent of communism - and it was a miserable and short-lived experiment. Atheist societies were far more brutal, despotic, economically deprived and intellectually stunted than any society in history. All the ideological bloodshed of the past 5000 years COMBINED pales in comparison to the misery of 50 years of communist expansion."
Communism is not based on Atheism, it only incorporates Atheism's truism that there is no God or Gods. Atheism does not say anything about materialism or revolution, therefore Marxism is not even close to representing Atheism. It is many other things besides Atheism and it is those other things that you are referring to.
"Are you denying the fact that atheists like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot supervised the murder of millions?"
Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot killed despite being Atheists and not because they were Atheists. As proof of this, name one person, just one, that Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol pot, killed in the name of Atheism. It doesn't exist.
"Hitler is a prime example of what Atheism can lead to. His philosophy of Nazism and Fascism supported the extermination of the Jews, and encouraged the participation of experimentation upon prisoners."
Hitler was not an Atheist, he was a devout Roman Catholic Christian. The New York Times, December 7, 1941 (the same day that Germany's ally attacked Pearl Harbor) ran this article:
WAR PRAYER FOR REICH
Catholic Bishops at Fulda Ask Blessing and Victory

The conference of German Catholic Bishops assembled in Fulda has recommended the introduction of a special war prayer which is to be read at the beginning and end of all divine services. This prayer implores Providence to bless German arms with victory and grant protection to the lives and health of all soldiers. The Bishops further instructed Catholic clergy to keep and remember in a special Sunday sermon at least once a month to German soldiers on land, on sea, and in the air
or...
In the boldest and most cynical manner...Papen [Hitler] proceeded to tell me that...he intended to use his reputation as a good Catholic to gain influence with Austrians like Cardinal Innitzer. (The Gathering Storm by Winston Churchill)
Furthermore, if you look up the definition for Nazism and Fascism, they mention nothing about Atheism...have you ever wondered why not? I will tell you why: because it is christian propaganda. Christians want you to blindly believe that the Nazis and Fascists were NOTHING BUT ATHEISTS when in reality, Atheism played only a very small part of their philosophies. What they did was supported by their beliefs in fascism and nazism and not Atheism.
And kindly recall, christianity didn't stop it, but encouraged it. I still remember the pictures of catholic priests blessing a small groups of Nazi soldiers about to go out to the battlefield during Hitler's reign of terror. I wonder what they prayed about?
"On the most minute level, I can say that there is no such thing as an Atheist soup kitchen.
And there is also no such thing as a multimillion dollar Atheist cathedral(s) or Atheist televangelists making $12,000+ a month or Atheist child molesters. Your point was?
Soup kitchens obviously only represent only a very small fraction of the total income of religion. Just look at how much money goes into salaries, advertisements, organizational dues, and grandiose buildings compared to the very minimal "good" they do like creating soup kitchens.
"I believe Atheism is a religion in that it shares the number one characteristic of all Western religions: arrogance. Those other religions are all wrong, Atheism is the one true religion. Based on 'science' and 'rationality' and 'Occam's Razor'."
None of these things directly has anything to do with Atheism. Atheism does not define what you are but what you are not: a believer of any God or Gods. Because religion is defined as a system of worship of a God or Gods, that would logically exclude Atheism as a religion since Atheism has no doctrines, no creeds, and no religious faith. Becoming an Atheist would help promote the progress of humankind by eliminating illogical thinking, misdirected emotion, and delusions and Atheism does this by eliminating the delusion that God exists.
"Overall, more good and positive social change has been accomplished on this planet by religion than in the name of 'logic and reason.' Say what you want about the crusades and inquisition, but religion also produced culture and social order.
You had better check your history book a little more closely than you have been. For example, what progress has mankind made in the "spiritual world" as compared to what logic and reason have done in the last two thousand years? Scientists have been responsible for producing, IN THE LAST TWO CENTURIES ALONE, electric light and power, radio, television, atomics, the entire science of organic chemistry ranging from dyes to synthetic drugs, automobiles, airplanes -- practically an entirely new civilization!
And what has your religion done for mankind?
...produce the Crusades, the Inquisitions, the 100-year War, the persecution of Galileo and Copernicus and other scientists, and so on and so on?
...nothing?
Science can take (and is continuing to take) the place of religion but religion cannot take the place of science. Without science we would all still be living in caves and believing that the earth has four corners.
"Christianity was the Queen of Science during the Age of Enlightenment. Many great thinkers of that time, like Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Lord Kelvin, and Fahrenheit, and many others were professed Christians.
The fact that folks such as Galileo, Kepler, Newton, Lord Kelvin, Fahrenheit and many others were deeply religious does not mean that their research was based on their religion. For many of the folks listed, it was either publicly confess God or be considered antisocial or sometimes even be killed by your fellow Christians for not doing so. Therefore the sincerity of their choice of beliefs (and expression thereof) is doubtful, since it seems they didn't have much of a "choice".
"The fact that religion has also caused a good deal of pain and suffering merely attests to the fact that religion is the power that shapes civilization.
"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages" -- Richard Lederer in his book, Anguished English. Let us not make the mistake of repeating that part of "shaping civilization" ever again.
"On a larger level, I can say that men like Gandhi and ML King accomplished what they did through the power of religion.
You are confusing salesmanship and politics with religion (although they do go hand-in-hand much of the time).
"This is a Christian nation founded on Christian principles by Christian leaders and that is what has made this country greater than any other country in existence.
Anyone who wants to claim that we are a Christian nation founded on Christian principles and Christian leaders will have to explain why this nation was founded on racism and sexism.
APPENDIX A: THE MESSED UP GENEALOGY OF CHRIST
000Mt 1:1-1700Lk 3:23-38Ruth
Ge 10:24
Ge 11:12
00I Ch 1:18,24
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01GodGod (Allah)01
02AdamAdam 02
03SethSeth 03
04EnoshEnosh 04
05CainanKenan 05
06MahalaleelMahalaleel06
07Jared