Las Vegas Hilton
Las Vegas NV
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$10 Coin-In = 1 Point Cashback: 200 Points = $1 (0.05%) Bounce Back Cash: About 0.33% of coin-in Earned Comps: 100 Points = $1 (0.1%) Cashback OR Comps Discretionary Comps: Yes Marketing Comps: ??? |
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15/8 LDW (100.1%) (28) 25c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (6) $1 MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. 20/10/6 JW2 (99.9%) (28) 25c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (6) $1 MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. NSUD (99.7%) (28) 25c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (6) $1 MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. 9/6 Bdlx (99.6%) (28) 25c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (6) $1 MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. 9/6 JoB (99.5%) (27) 5c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (37) 25c MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (2) 25c (10 play) MG slant-tops down steps from hotel registration. (6) $1 MG slant-tops in Sportsbook section. (8) $1 slant-tops in Sportsbook section opposite buffet entrance. (4) $1/$5 MD Opposite buffet west of the Sportsbook. 9/7 DB (99.1%) 5c Spin Poker. (2) $2/$5/$10/$25 (3 Play) MG/MD slant-tops in high-limit room. (2) $5 (3 Play) MG/MD uprights in high-limit room. 8/5 JoB (97.3%) (4) 25c PROG in Space Quest casino near the Star Trek Experience. (4) $1 PROG in Space Quest casino near the Star Trek Experience. |
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(4) $1 (3 Play) 9/6 JoB MG uprights near walkway to Benihana's. New bank of (4) $1/$5 JOB added near Buffet. Cashback update to show variable rate of between 0.05% and 0.3%. Good machines are less than 0.1%. Bounce back in the form of monthly check of $25/$75/$125 (there may be higher rate as well). Based on coin-in this works out at between 0.5% and 0.2% of action. Also, locals seem to be getting 125 coin-in bonuses for 4oK in mailers. Adds over 5% to JOB games. Have recently learned that nothing has really changed as far as theoretical requirements for the old C1 - C4 levels which are still being used even though the system now is clothed in the guise of new slot cards with 3 tier levels of Classic, Elite & Ultra. What has changed is that the theoreticals have been drastically lowered on all the VP machines that I played. I'm guessing the change is it's at MOST a tenth of what it used to be. Respecting cashback, here is how my wife and I made out on our recent (Dec16-20) stay at the Las Vegas Hilton. We played mostly single line quarters, with the occasional visit to the 10 line JOB (including yet another dealt four to the royal with ten misses). My wife was credited with 23.5 hours play, and $23,245 coin-in. I had 23.5 hours as well, and $20,320-coin-in. We each received a magnificent $39 in cashback, which calculates to 0.1677% for her, and 0.1919% for me. 1) Tier Credits: Three cards, Classic, Elite, and Ultra. Published Info: Classic is the basic card everyone starts with, Elite requires 1500 points every six months, Ultra requires 8000 points every six months. NOTHING has been published that reveals what kind of play constitutes a point. Unpublished Info: As of last weekend, I have earned 8255 tier credits since the inception of the new program in July. This required just under $600,000CI to accomplish. Tier credits based on CI were different for every trip, although I played the same three machines every trip. The range varied from a low of $63.69CI per tier credit to a high of $162.16CI per tier credit. The average overall was just over $70CI per tier credit. It is my understanding that my Ultra status is good until 7/1/07. To maintain Ultra beyond that time, I will need to earn another 8000 tier credits from 1/1/07- 6/30/07 (which will then carry me through to 1/1/08). 2) R Points: These are the equivalent of HET's Reward Credits. Whereas HET has some secret system whereby you can never be sure what you will earn in a given session, LVH/Resorts publishes this info. R Points earned can be used at face value for self-comping, or at half value for cashback. Published: When the new program was initially rolled out in July, published info stated that one R point was earned for every $8CI on vp and that 100 points was worth $1. This meant that when used for self-comps, the value was .12%; when used as cashback, the value was .06% (the percentages were not published - I am just including that info). Semi-Published: Whereas a big deal was made of the new program when it was rolled out and I received a brochure by mail detailing the info I am sharing here, changes were made to the R Points leg of the program approx. two weeks ago that were NOT announced via a mailing. When playing last weekend, I noticed that my R Points were not accumulating at the same rate ($8CI per pt) and did some investigating to find out why. It turns out that this leg of the program was changed days earlier. The Players Club area had a sign taped to the desk that revealed this information - but, unless you were to go to the desk and read the sign, you would not know this. The revised system awards 2.5 points for every $40CI on vp, which means the benefits were cut in half. Self-comp value is now .06%, cashback value is .03%. It was awful before, totally pathetic now. Unpublished (to my knowledge): When you have Ultra status, it is unnecessary to use R Points for comps as everything I have ever asked for has been given to me as a discretionary comp. I have several friends who are Elite and have had no problem getting all of their meals as discretionary comps as well. There is no guarantee concerning this - it is merely my experience. 3) Destiny Dollars: Dollars earned that can be used at any property (other than your home property) for comps. Published: Little, other than the description I just gave. Unpublished: Destiny Dollars may/may not be earned while playing at a property other than your home property. While I have played at a property other than my home property, my account was messed up in the conversion and I was never able to come to a solid conclusion on this (I will verify on future trips). The way these dollars accumulate is a big secret, just like it is with Tier Credits. The range at which I have earned $1DD (Destiny Dollar) goes from a low of $1185CI to a high of $2651CI. My home casino is currently running a special whereby DD's are earned at 6x the "normal" rate. As my DD account has over $1000 in it now, I suspect (but am only guessing) that when I do visit another property (non-home casino), that I may be required to use up my DD's on comps before I am issued any discretionary comps. Rooms have always been comped for me and my "home" casino sends me BB that ranges from $70 to $250 per day (I get about 25 BB coupons per month, each good for 1 or 2 specific days). On a "good" month, I am able to get there to redeem about six of these a month. Based on one day of recent play, Hilton/Resorts New "Destination Club": Tier Credits: These are earned by some mystery formula (like HET's RC's). For my day of play on vp, $67.43 CI = 1 TC As it takes 8000 TC's every six months to be "Ultra" (the top level), this would require even more play than HET's 7*. R Points: $8CI = 1pt 100pts = $1 comp (.125%) OR 50c cashback (.0625%) Discretionary comps come by easy from my experience, ymmv. Destination Dollars: Another mystery formula. For my day of play on vp, $1653 CI = $1 or .0006% The LVHs new program has 3 tiers. Bottom tier for anyone. Middle (ELITE-seems to correspond with C3 rating) takes 1500 tier points and top(ULTRA-seems to correspond with C2 rating.) takes 8,000 tier points. IMHO one big problem is that you have to re-up your standing every 6 months instead of yearly like HET. I played 2 days on the 10 plays with coin in of abt 108K. I earned tier points at abt 25.5/1K played. So to keep ELITE status I need abt 59K/6 months. To get ULTRA status I need abt 314K every 6 months. ULTRA is a problem for me because even though I average abt 50K/day I need to play at that level for 6 days every 6 months which I don't always do. Just to complicate matters further my host told me that the C2and C3 ratings are still used within the new system so that even if you are ELITE but play enough on your trip for C2 status (which I assume is still $750/day theo as before) you will get the C2 benefits. The theo for the 10 plays is 1.35%(abt 56K/day for $750 theo) and I earned CB at abt .13% rate. When I got there I found that I was ELITE but due to my play I did get gourmet dining and limo comped and my host said that next trip I would be coded C2 even though I didn't quite make the theo. I have been C2 for several years. It's getting tougher and tougher at LVH but if I can keep all the perks like 2 bedroom suite(sleep 6) golf and limo it's still worth it to me. (13) 25c AA slant-tops in Spacequest casino. 25c/$1 PKM bartops @ Sportsbook Bar. 25c/$1 PKM bartops @ SpaceQuest Bar. Here's our LVH experience based on our 12 Feb - 28 Feb, 2006 trip. Total of 13 days at LVH. For use in the VPFree database or other use at your discretion. All play is $1 Pick'em at the Spacequest bar. Average daily play is $23.0 K each. Cashback = .24% Monthly cash offers = $200 each. We both participated in 2 slot tournaments = $450 in total. Got 70 draw tickets for the Cabot San Lucas / Toyota Tacoma draw. We're rated at C2 (were C1 last year). Were offered and accepted an 8 day cruise in Nov. 2005. More play history (all Pick'em): In our 15 April - 8 May, 2005 trip, total of 20 days at LVH: Average daily play = $34.5 K ea. Cashback .66% We typically visit LV 3 times a year, about 3 weeks / trip. I had $1390 coin-in and my cash account went up $6.03 cents. I calculate that to be a CB rate of about .43%. I played quarter pick 'em. Current working assumption is that total cashback + earned comps + discretionary comps + marketing comps equals about 0.4% of coin-in when playing their better video poker. Just got back from the Hilton and am sorry to say that, as mentioned on this site a couple weeks back, the theoretical has been cut back SIGNIFICANTLY and offers keep getting trimmed back. Just to point out the magnitude of the theo cutback, while my cash-in and cash back points were consistent from my last trip, my theo was only 1/3 of my previous trip! It is also very clear that all rating levels (C-1, C-2, etc.) are not based on coin-in but theo. It seems like theo is all that matters, period. To put this in perspective, LVH formerly assigned a theo of between 4 and 5% to the 10-play quarter machines (which included 9/6 Jacks). This compares to less than 2% (and often less than 1%) that has been used for 9/6 Jacks at many casinos. LVH will mail locals anywhere from 4x$5 to 4x$30 in BB cash. There doesn't appear to be any rhyme or reason to what sort of play yields what. Tommy Brown is also very good. We have only stayed there once. I called the day we were arriving, trying to find a host to clarify what we could expect comped up front. Based on what I told him of our play, he upgraded our room and brought us in at a C3 rating, which meant food comped upfront at the Mexican restaurant, the coffee shop, benihana's and the buffet (maybe a few more places too can't remember, no gourmet up front). You might get a different level based on your play, but he was very friendly and accomodating. Based on fairly careful record keeping, I'm pretty sure the cashback is now .67%, which would be 1 point for $15 coin in. The 13 quarter AA machines were working fine. For Dec and Jan, everybody in our household either got 4x$20 or 4x$30. I have no idea what earns what, except to note that one of the 4x$20 mailings was generated with less than $1000 of lifetime action. On the subject of AA if you all are referring to All American VP then the only working machine can be found (as of thursday 11:30 p.m.) in the space casino to the left after you go down the center ramp. There was 4-6 VP but only one worked. All of the towers have recently been remodelled, so I wouldn't have a specific recommendation. You'll likely be satisfied with what you receive. (A high floor room always presents a better view ... I prefer the golf course; others like looking toward the strip). I advise against using one of their hotel marketing offers (typically a discounted room rate plus some type of food and beverage credit, plus sometimes show tickets and/or free coin). It can be cumbersome for a host to comp any cost of that package based upon your play. Your best bet is to contact one of the two hosts, provide a fair estimate of your play (it helps to note where else you're a rated player) and they'll likely arrange a room comp up front. At minimum, you'll earn comp kiosk credit toward room and beverage charges that you can tap at the end of your stay. But charge meals to your room rather than use kiosk vouchers because it's likely that a host will comp your food and beverage (coffee shop at least) in full after reviewing your play at the end of your stay. LV Hilton has launched the new "Resorts International Club Card" and members must now get a new slot club card. A LVH marketing rep says they have been told there will be no changes in comp policy, offers, etc. The only exception to that is that they will be breaking down comp dollars in the Connection Card account so that those earned at the Hilton will be good only at the Hilton and those earned at other Caesars properties will be good at those properties. He also said the Hilton will continue the comp dollars at the same level as before but of course they will only be good at the Hilton. The first things Colony plans on doing is refiguring the casino and remodeling rooms. No expected change in VP. I was at the LV Hilton this weekend and found out that for C3 rating you need to put through $10,000- $15,000 per day. At C3 you get limited food and beverage. Earned comps are based on theo, and appear to be inversely proportional to other (discretionary + marketing) comps you receive. Earned comps plus other comps probably equal about 1% when you play their better video poker games. Spacequest and Sportsbook Bars have 25c 8/5 Bonus Poker. The 25c NSUD in the Sportsbook area are still there. The confusion probably occurs because some of the machines in this area are indeed short-pay 15-9-4-4 Deuces Wild. However, there are at least twenty 25c and six $1 NSUD slant-tops in that area. Also, the $1 multi-game slant-tops in the Sportsbook area still have the progressive only on the 8/5 DDB, not on the NSUD, 9/6 JOB or 15/8 LDW. A boothling at LVH told me tonight that a new comp change now allows comps to be used in the Star Trek section which is not owned by LVH. I assume she is speaking of the restaurant and ride. I did not ask for specifics so check for more details if you are interested. She did say that the comps for vendors not owned by LVH (ie. Star Trek and Vegas Subs) must be obtained through vouchers from the Park Connection booth. I just learned that tonight when I tried to get dinner at Vegas Subs on my way home and they rejected the comp slip from a kiosk and made me exchange it at the slot club for a voucher instead. Another fact I learned this week is that if you get a comp for $20 and the food only comes to $15, at LVH owned restaurants the $5 balance is credited back to your account but at a non-LVH owned eatery (ie. Vegas Subs) the balance is not credited back to your account. I’ve been coming here off and on for the past twenty years. There was a time it was starting to show its age, and I started staying at other properties. However, they’ve done some wonderful remodeling. My room (23rd floor) overlooks the entire downtown area, and all I can describe it is by saying majestic. There is a 32” TV here, there’s a stone desk with a padded desk chair that overlooks the view. The curtain open and close electronically, the drinking cups here are glass (plastic at the Strat), and the toilet and washbasin are in different rooms. The Hilton is great mid-range “resort” that I would recommend to anyone and as many of you know, has one of the very best Sportsbooks in the city. Add to this the good video poker schedules, and the best Cashback percentage in Las Vegas, and you’ve got yourself a great place. I can’t describe to you how nice it is to sit at the desk here, overlooking the entire downtown area. This would be a terrific working station. The 3-day trip basis discussed on occasion was a foreign concept to a LVH Host. He said that overnight guests are rated on a daily average based upon the number of nights of stay. Play within a given casino day is not a factor. For a single night guest, all play during the stay would be counted as averaged in a single day. I didn't get into details on how additional play outside of the days immediately before and after that night would be treated. What was discussed was that the play I had intentionally avoided on the partial day of my arrival would have only improved my trip average, not penalized it. Likewise, play on the morning of departure would not add another day into the denominator for calculating average play per day. In coming into the property for a trip, an initial comp rating is assigned based upon average play over the previous 4 trips. An additional factor taken into account is the theo of all play over the previous 36-months. The trip average is the predominant variable at lower ratings, however I had the sense that the theo becomes a much stronger factor at higher ratings. $3K/night will take care of the room (C5), $10K will pick up non-gourmet comps (C4). I'm not sure what C3 will encompass ($15K/night), but C2 at $20K/night will handle full signing privileges as well as limited SPA and golf comps. C1 is $50K/night and includes suite upgrades, full SPA and golf comps, off property restaurants, etc. Once you start talking $60K+/night you're looking at the potential for limited airfare reimbursement. That initial rating is strictly for purposes of assigning initial comp privileges. By all means, have your actual trip play rated for additional comp inclusion - especially if you are playing at a higher level than on previous trips. By the way, because of the 4-trip averaging system don't do yourself a disservice (as I did) and make an initial stop-in to the property to establish yourself with limited amount of introductory play to get on their marketing list. Give them a full day of play at your expected standard play level. Sign up for marketing emails on their website to get an attractive rate for your initial stay. |
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